President Bush Leaving Office More Unpoular Than Nixon

[LittleGrizzly]

I would've have thought dean would have successfully been painted as loony, i thought he was too liberal for mainstream america, though his energy and charisma are obama like...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I would've have thought dean would have successfully been painted as loony, i thought he was too liberal for mainstream america, though his energy and charisma are obama like...

No way. Dean simply did not have Obama's charm. Martok may have a point about Edwards though -- he might have edged passed Bush in Ohio in 2004 and that would have been the difference.

In retrospect, the fact that a hyper-lib patricianesque twit like Kerry came as close to a win as he did should have been a huge wake-up call for the GOP. One which we ignored in the afterglow of the first majority of the popular vote we'd enjoyed since 1988.

[LittleGrizzly]

No way. Dean simply did not have Obama's charm.

I didn't mean charm by the charisma comment, i was probably misusing the word, i was talking more of his energetic personality...

In retrospect, the fact that a hyper-lib patricianesque twit like Kerry came as close to a win as he did should have been a huge wake-up call for the GOP.

I never got the feeling kerry was all that liberal, i assumed the most liberal eva comments to have as much in them as they did against obama... maybe i was wrong...

Incidentally i do remember having a discussion on this board with some republicans who were delighted with the fact Bush recieved more votes than reegan, maybe this added to a sense of safety in thier winning margins..

[Seamus Fermanagh]

No way. Dean simply did not have Obama's charm.

I didn't mean charm by the charisma comment, i was probably misusing the word, i was talking more of his energetic personality...

In retrospect, the fact that a hyper-lib patricianesque twit like Kerry came as close to a win as he did should have been a huge wake-up call for the GOP.

I never got the feeling kerry was all that liberal, i assumed the most liberal eva comments to have as much in them as they did against obama... maybe i was wrong...

Incidentally i do remember having a discussion on this board with some republicans who were delighted with the fact Bush recieved more votes than reegan, maybe this added to a sense of safety in thier winning margins..

Kerry's voting record and political stance -- beginning with his opposition to the Vietnam war -- was among the more staunchly left wing (USA def) records in Congress. Certainly as much as Obama (if not more) and with more of a track record to support that.

As to the misplaced sense of safety, you probably have a good point. There was certainly this sense of "maintaining the states Bush won" as being the dominant strategy for McCain. Obviously a "misunderestimation."