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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheo
    And the French, of course, have numbers. Levee en mass!
    But the French Levee en mass didn't come into being until the French Revolution, I believe. I wonder if CA will portray levee en masse at all. It'd be pretty sweet if they did.

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    Tuscany re-unites Italy, deposes the Pope, reestablishes the Roman Empire, bans Christianity and launches a crusade against the filthy Christian dogs. Then feeds them to the lions.
    Hmm. Unite much of Europe under the Roman Republic, then start a revolution to form the Roman Empire under a monarch! Yeah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Methuselah View Post
    But the French Levee en mass didn't come into being until the French Revolution, I believe. I wonder if CA will portray levee en masse at all. It'd be pretty sweet if they did!
    Apparently the Ancien Regime practiced recruitment by ballot, which is sort of similar. The first proper one occured during the French Revolution.

    But, even so, the French had the largest population in Europe at the time. In 1700 France apparently had around 21 million people. In 1722 Russia only had 14 million. Apparently the Russian population didn't exceed the French until around 1800.

    Hmm. Unite much of Europe under the Roman Republic, then start a revolution to form the Roman Empire under a monarch! Yeah!
    Then counter-revolution and form the Soviet Socialist Republic of Rome? SSRR?
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    Tallyho lads, rape the houses and burn the women! Leave not a single potted plant alive! Full speed ahead and damn the cheesemongers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheo
    Apparently the Ancien Regime practiced recruitment by ballot, which is sort of similar. The first proper one occured during the French Revolution.
    But that's the thing. A proper levee en masse could literally bring a million men under arms, a devastating number compared to the professional armies of the time.

    Btw, I wonder if a communist "republic" could actually be created in-game through clever use of taxes and buildings, etc. It'd be pretty cool, methinks.

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    Sheogorath, what is this most interesting NTW you speak of that I must now try?

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    Heh. I would answer that question, but you have clearly asked Sheo. Let him answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YLC View Post
    Sheogorath, what is this most interesting NTW you speak of that I must now try?
    Its a Napoleonic mod for Rome Total War. You don't even need BI for it.
    You do, however, need other people to play against. The RTW is even worse at Napoleonic tactics than it is at Roman ones.

    http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...=154308&page=5

    Scroll down to post #85 there.

    You also need the 1.3 and 1.5 patches, and a fresh install of RTW.

    It's an excellent mod, and the unit models/textures are quite amazing, given that they're done in RTW.

    Quote Originally Posted by Methuselah View Post
    Heh. I would answer that question, but you have clearly asked Sheo. Let him answer.
    Gratse :P

    On the subject of the levee en masse, since the game has apparently been confirmed to end in 1800, I doubt we'll see it represented. Maybe in the inevitable 'Empire: Total War, Revolutions' expansion :P
    Tallyho lads, rape the houses and burn the women! Leave not a single potted plant alive! Full speed ahead and damn the cheesemongers!

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    Meth, what is NTW then?

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    Yeah, it'd be a shame if levee en masse is missed out. Ah well, still good. And YLC, Sheo answered your question...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sheogorath View Post
    Then counter-revolution and form the Soviet Socialist Republic of Rome? SSRR?
    I AM THERE!

    I wonder...

    What decides the revolutionary group in the revolution?

    and what about the threat of monarchists if there is a successful revolution... (ie Jacobite, not the best... only one I really know).

    So many questions... so little time.

    Might like to extend timeline to fit in Marx and the rise of Socialism/Communism. Unite the world under one banner... my god, my dreams could become real!


    Does anyone wonder about the side effects of games like these?
    I have to stop myself... I'm starting to drool over the possibilities...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The New Che Guevara View Post
    I AM THERE!

    I wonder...

    What decides the revolutionary group in the revolution?

    and what about the threat of monarchists if there is a successful revolution... (ie Jacobite, not the best... only one I really know).

    So many questions... so little time.

    Might like to extend timeline to fit in Marx and the rise of Socialism/Communism. Unite the world under one banner... my god, my dreams could become real!


    Does anyone wonder about the side effects of games like these?
    I have to stop myself... I'm starting to drool over the possibilities...
    Woah there! You should probably calm down and wipe the drool away.

    Please don't get any ideas about taking over the world after playing Empire, I doubt the current military strategists will be as easy to beat as a Total War general

    Also can you imagine the headlines? "Gamer Driven To World Domination By Videogame!" Everyone on the Org would be arrested under suspicion of terrorism :P

    And it's really difficult finding thousands of men with rifles these days, believe me, I've tried.

    If you're gonna take over the world you'll have to do it sneaky like, step by step. I suggest you try and take over somewhere like Madagascar first. Leave France and the rest for later.

    As for monarchists? I'm pretty sure they will be in as rebellions if you mis-manage your Republic and screw over the upper class tax-wise.

    Also, by the by, if anyone here at the Org ever fancies a crack at world domination then I volunteer my services as a General and also a public relations guy. Every dictator needs to look good for the plebs


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    For this era we may be missing the most important unit of all and no one has said a word!
    No one cam march or fight without the “Regimental Band”. Where are the pipers and drummers? Where are the fifes and glockenspiels!

    Without them no one is going to stay in step! Who sounds the charge or withdraw! This just won’t work without them. They are at least as important as the General, maybe more so!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Fisherking View Post
    For this era we may be missing the most important unit of all and no one has said a word!
    No one cam march or fight without the “Regimental Band”. Where are the pipers and drummers? Where are the fifes and glockenspiels!

    Without them no one is going to stay in step! Who sounds the charge or withdraw! This just won’t work without them. They are at least as important as the General, maybe more so!
    From what CA have said it looks like musicians will actually be in the game! They have confirmed pipes and drummers, no word yet on trumpeters, fifes, glockenspiels, keyboards, saxophones and the all important lead electric guitar though.

    My armies will consist of nothing but musical units. We shall play a rhumba of conquest throughout the world!


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    Since exploding ammunition and rocket artillery tend to set fires, do you think this will be a part of the game?

    Will the enemy be able to set fires deliberately…or will you? It isn’t as though it wasn’t done…

    More curiosity than speculation…



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