Navigable Rivers?

[XSamatan]

But where these armies shipped in sea ships or in smaller ferries? If the latter, it would be just as well simulated by a ford.

They were shipped in special ships, build only to sail on these specific rivers. But it would be a waste to create a ship for every river, maybe one for all? And then a blockade at the delta, so other ships cannot enter the river? In this case we could represent that only residents of the river could built some ships.

A ford can only be used to cross a river (this should be like it is) but these ships could be used to travel alongside the river to carry troops from the delta to the origin e.g., and to blockade some fords.

I don't think I quite understand what you are proposing. What would the difference be with the river port building of EB1?

Forget it, a crazy idea, i even can't express to myself

XSamatan

[Elmetiacos]

Shipping armies is one thing, but if you make the rivers navigable in the RTW sense, that means you'd get big fleets of triremes battling each other on the Rhine or the Nile, which would be silly.

[Ludens]

They were shipped in special ships, build only to sail on these specific rivers. But it would be a waste to create a ship for every river, maybe one for all? And then a blockade at the delta, so other ships cannot enter the river?

That could work, except that this would cut off the city at the delta from either river or sea trade (as it can have only one port, which has to be in either the river or the sea, and the two are separated by the blockade in the delta). I also think it would make the campaign map ugly if most rivers were to be one map-square wide.

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Rivers will most likely not be navigable, especially if they look weird/ugle, like a deep narrow bay.

[oudysseos]

If the issue is that Armies/Merchants/Travellers could (in the real world) move long distances quickly by river, then could that not be simulated by making the routes of large rivers easier to move along? What I mean is, armies move further per turn on roads than across open country. Could this be applied to river courses? Essentially you'd put roads (invisible roads?) alongside the important rivers, allowing units to move along them quickly, simulating river transport.

[Puupertti Ruma]

At least in RTW the roads are generated automatically by the game, and cannot be manually put anywhere by the modders. The same effect could nonetheless obtained with a terrain type called e.g. "river bank" which would have a lot smaller movement cost than other terrains. So, moving by riverbanks would be faster without the need for invisible roads.

[Celtic_Punk]

If any river should be navigable, it should be the Nile. I'd be happy with just the Nile. OoooOooOo the possibilities! >:) look out Ptolemy! here I come!

[a completely inoffensive name]

At least in RTW the roads are generated automatically by the game, and cannot be manually put anywhere by the modders.

Is that true for M2TW as well?

[MarcusAureliusAntoninus]

Is that true for M2TW as well?

Yes. It is, afterall, basically the same game engine.

[a completely inoffensive name]

But can you create new terrain?

The same effect could nonetheless obtained with a terrain type called e.g. "river bank" which would have a lot smaller movement cost than other terrains. So, moving by riverbanks would be faster without the need for invisible roads.

Apparently.

[Puupertti Ruma]

I don't know if you can create new terrain, but I am pretty sure that you can retexture old terrain, choose where that terrain is drawns on the map and modify it's movement penalty (well, in RTW you can at least). What I don't know for sure if you can rename terrain.