Immigration Question

[CountArach]

Why would a company want immigrants, and why would a politician want immigrants. Who is making a living and who is having a hobby.

Let me explain what I was saying:
1) You changed JAG's post to a pro-capitalist message (Free markets = free people).
2) You state that immigration is the opiate of the elite
3) I use a combination of 1 and 2 to get a message across about Capitalism and how anything can be labelled as an opiate of the elite without any real substantive evidence.

[Fragony]

and how anything can be labelled as an opiate of the elite without any real substantive evidence.

One is and the other isn't, that's the difference. Evidence: just about every western nation.

[Husar]

The problem is the inequality, as it was all westerners were rich and other countries poor, now our clever capitalist managers found out if they hire immigrants from poor countries for less money they can themselves become even richer and shift the rich-poor gap from West-Rest of world to Managers-Everybody else due to the decrease in normal wages caused by undermining the previous wages with the use of poor immigrant workers and the resulting higher profits which the management usually uses to increase their own income, then whine that all the poor people don't buy enough.

[KukriKhan]

My problem with un-visa'd immigrants is: if we have, and are apparently sustaining 12 million of them (as some estimators guess), they - the immigrants - have 'jumped the line', and taken the place of 12 million other immigrants from China, India, Kenya, Germany, Hungary, Syria, Korea, etc., etc. who would also like to come and live and work here - and have followed the rules we set down, but get delayed or denied entry because we're "all full up".

It's a situation that deserves a lot more attention than it currently gets.

[drone]

The economic situation will sort things out. Right now, they are doing jobs we don't want to do. Soon, they will be competing for jobs with desperate citizens and the opportunities will diminish greatly.

[HoreTore]

Can't comment on US immigration policy's, but here's what I'd want for my own country:

Scrap the asylum institutions. Get the immigrants a job as soon as they walk off the plane/boat/truck/whatever. Start language classes immediately. Give them proper housing. Have someone look after and follow them up at all times, to eliminate any eventual problems they'll face with the government, laws, applying for stuff, etc etc. Give them the education they'll need in order to contribute to society. Ie., a former Iraqi truck driver would need a short course to learn the norwegian traffic laws, etc.

Most of all, focus on getting people involved in our society, do not focus on "letting as few as possible in", like we're doing today.

Unfortunately for me, the norwegian people are way too scared of darkies. So I'm left to day-dreaming about a Norway with around 10 million people.... Ah, it would've been sweet....

[Fragony]

Most of all, focus on getting people involved in our society, do not focus on "letting as few as possible in", like we're doing today.

Bake them a coke for their birthday. Really wut teh.....

Why should we do all these things, I would expect someone to be properly prepared. But this isn't about working it's about multicultural desire.

[Husar]

The economic situation will sort things out. Right now, they are doing jobs we don't want to do. Soon, they will be competing for jobs with desperate citizens and the opportunities will diminish greatly.

And the wages will go down as well I guess, as usual when there is more competition.

[HoreTore]

And the wages will go down as well I guess, as usual when there is more competition.

Wages don't go down; they just don't go up as much.