How should kids react in a school shooting?

[Husar]

Bullet proof steel doors and bullet proof windows, costs a lot to buy burt they cannot come in anymore, unless they move on to school shootings with RPGs. Preferably all those doors can be locked remotely by the principal and/or the security personnel, then add some vidya cameras, machine gun turrets and flame thrower barriers, a bunch of marines with an APC as a rapid deploament security force and your kids are finally secure. Expect a little rise in schooling costs or taxes though.

edit: Alternatively you could try a MAD scenario and put a tactical nuke into the cellar of the school.

[HoreTore]

School officials assume that such an evacuation would not be orderly and would actually become a panicked stampede. This, many feel, would result in deaths from trampling and possible worse death totals if the stampede heads the wrong way.

Uhm.... Fire drills, anyone?

[Hooahguy]

Uhm.... Fire drills, anyone?

fire is MUCH different than a school shooting.
war is hell. school shootings are comaprable.

[HoreTore]

fire is MUCH different than a school shooting.
war is hell. school shootings are comaprable.

So.... they're too hysterical to evacuate properly, but they're not too hysterical to jump a guy shooting at them?

[Kekvit Irae]

A school shooting is usually done by someone with no regard for hostages or loss of life. I firmly believe that if you are going to die, you might as well die trying to take down the shooter.

[seireikhaan]

So.... they're too hysterical to evacuate properly, but they're not too hysterical to jump a guy shooting at them?

No, you've got it reversed.

The point being made is that a school shooting is on a whole other level of "OMFG" than the school being on fire. Hence, people will be more likely to stampede out during a shooting than during a fire.

[Hooahguy]

No, you've got it reversed.

The point being made is that a school shooting is on a whole other level of "OMFG" than the school being on fire. Hence, people will be more likely to stampede out during a shooting than during a fire.

stampedes=chaos.
chaos=more loss of life than is needed

[seireikhaan]

stampedes=chaos.
chaos=more loss of life than is needed

Ok...

Wasn't arguing with you.

[Hooahguy]

oops. it was meant for HoreTore. sorry.

[HoreTore]

No, you've got it reversed.

The point being made is that a school shooting is on a whole other level of "OMFG" than the school being on fire. Hence, people will be more likely to stampede out during a shooting than during a fire.

Hmmm....

But they're likely to be able to take down a shooter effectively?

[Hooahguy]

Hmmm....

But they're likely to be able to take down a shooter effectively?

better take the chance. "fortune favors the bold"

[HoreTore]

better take the chance. "fortune favors the bold"

"we run away to fight another day"

[Husar]

better take the chance. "fortune favors the bold"

I'd say taking the chance of a stampede may even have the better results, I don't think it happens THAT often that more than one person gets killed in a stampede, running towards someone with an automatic or semi automatic weapon through a really long corridor however is likely to get a lot of people killed.
So how about a superstrong magnet in the basement? Everybody just takes off their bling bling, they have one minute and then everything made from metal will be glued to the ground, including guns.

[Beren Son Of Barahi]

Surely having teacher trying to assertain where the gun man is (a lot of schools are spread out and one could most likley work out if they are near by with listening alone) and then getting the students TFO of there asap is better then staying there and waiting for them to go away. surely a few classes at a time could make a run for it. treat it like a hostage situation not a school shooting. Get as many out as possible safely and then deal with the takers as you can.


fortune might favour the bold, but it kills the brave.

controlling who can and can't come onto the campus is better then drilling students to take out a gunmen....

[Hooahguy]

"we run away to fight another day"

fight another day? youre the one who wants them to run away! how can they fight again if you are advocating not fighting in the first place? so they should run away just to run away again?

[Hooahguy]

I'd say taking the chance of a stampede may even have the better results, I don't think it happens THAT often that more than one person gets killed in a stampede, running towards someone with an automatic or semi automatic weapon through a really long corridor however is likely to get a lot of people killed.
So how about a superstrong magnet in the basement? Everybody just takes off their bling bling, they have one minute and then everything made from metal will be glued to the ground, including guns.

no, it wont. chances are there will be more kids dead, since in the stampede the slow kids will be knocked down, leaving them to the mercy of the shooter. now considering our obesity rates....

[LittleGrizzly]

fight another day? youre the one who wants them to run away! how can they fight again if you are advocating not fighting in the first place? so they should run away just to run away again?

Well they would be running away to live another day... unless they plan on military, ufc ect.

no, it wont. chances are there will be more kids dead, since in the stampede the slow kids will be knocked down, leaving them to the mercy of the shooter. now considering our obesity rates....

Fat kids tend to be stronger (and more dangerous when stampeding) i would imagine the fat kids would be alright just a bit slow, its the skinny frail ones who aren't athletic that would possibly get knocked over and stampeded over, which obviously isn't any better....

Perhaps there could be some kind of semi organised stampede, release the athletic ones first, they'll sprint ahead and not get in anyones way, then i guess the fatter people.... and leave the frail till last, for thier own protection from the stampede, i suppose it has a kind of unfairness to it, but i would be very pissed off being kept in a classroom with a shooter on the loose....

[Hooahguy]

fight another day? youre the one who wants them to run away! how can they fight again if you are advocating not fighting in the first place? so they should run away just to run away again?

Well they would be running away to live another day... unless they plan on military, ufc ect.

not if there was another school shooting.

no, it wont. chances are there will be more kids dead, since in the stampede the slow kids will be knocked down, leaving them to the mercy of the shooter. now considering our obesity rates....

Fat kids tend to be stronger (and more dangerous when stampeding) i would imagine the fat kids would be alright just a bit slow, its the skinny frail ones who aren't athletic that would possibly get knocked over and stampeded over, which obviously isn't any better....

Perhaps there could be some kind of semi organised stampede, release the athletic ones first, they'll sprint ahead and not get in anyones way, then i guess the fatter people.... and leave the frail till last, for thier own protection from the stampede, i suppose it has a kind of unfairness to it, but i would be very pissed off being kept in a classroom with a shooter on the loose....

stampedes are rarely organized. do you think there will be any form of organization when bullets are flying around you? all hell breaks loose. to think otherwise is just plain daft to me.

anyhow, no one can outrun a bullet. even if the fat kids did knock down everyone else, do you think they could outrun the shooter?

[LittleGrizzly]

Well in reference to the organisation i was simply on about an order in which the teacher would let the kids out of the classroom, after that its chaos....

do you think there will be any form of organization when bullets are flying around you? all hell breaks loose.

I was refering to kids being kept in a classroom whilst the shooter is somewhere else, if the shooter is in the classroom shooting then obviously the teacher wouldn't be keeping the kids in the classroom....

anyhow, no one can outrun a bullet.

No, but if shooter is busy in another classroom you don't need to outrun the bullet, just get out of the school and avoid the shooter, though if the shooter is there looking at you, you probably have more chance trying to run away in zig zags than charging him, thats only going to work with a very brave determined group of students

even if the fat kids did knock down everyone else, do you think they could outrun the shooter?

well in my plan there shouldn't be people for the fat kids to knock down, its not individually that they have to outrun the shooter, if he shooter is in the centre, and 4 fat kids run off round 4 different corners from the shooter then he is at best going to be able to get 2 of them (if they're are very slow fat kids and he's a very fast shooter... and theres not many turnoffs where he can go the wrong way...) likelyhood is in that situation only 1 kid dies....

This isn't some serious plan i want implemented.... more thinking out loud....

[Husar]

no, it wont. chances are there will be more kids dead, since in the stampede the slow kids will be knocked down, leaving them to the mercy of the shooter. now considering our obesity rates....

You mean they can all roll away and noone will get trampled?

[Hooahguy]

You mean they can all roll away and noone will get trampled?

not a bad idea....