The Golden Rule [Concluded]

[seireikhaan]

Vote: Quintus

You're awfully talkative, but seem to be hiding your motives and suspicions exceedingly closely.

[Reenk Roink]

Well this is different. Most games usually prohibit no lynch votes because it is so easy to avoid lynching (and makes it much harder for the Mafia). It takes a nice combination of abstains and maybe ties to get the result of a no lynch and so that route is much more satisfying.

Still, as a big proponent of the no lynch movement, I will use it. But not just yet, seireikhaan seems eager for a lynch, and that makes me eager for his...

[seireikhaan]

Still, as a big proponent of the no lynch movement, I will use it. But not just yet, seireikhaan seems eager for a lynch, and that makes me eager for his...

I suppose you have an alternative method of catching the traitor?

[Quintus.JC]

Yeah Seriekhann seems especially eagar to see me die. Why does no one listen to me! The mafia cannot win unless he start killing, we are only helping him if we start killing each other.

FoS: Khann

[seireikhaan]

Yeah Seriekhann seems especially eagar to see me die. Why does no one listen to me! The mafia cannot win unless he start killing, we are only helping him if we start killing each other.

FoS: Khann

So you really think the traitor will not start killing if we do not lynch anyone? That's like playing prevent defense, it only prevents the town from winning.

Additionally, only through voting can we ferret out the mafia. Best example, methinks, is Prometheus. Myself, Reenk, and Pizzaguy, when it came down to actually having to lodge votes, voted very similarly. This game is following a similar pattern in that there are no early kills. Is the mafia(traitor) bribing others to join him?

Regardless, if we are to win, we MUST vote. If we do not, discussion is meaningless, as people can state whatever they want with near impunity. Make them back up their talk with conviction.

[Quintus.JC]

I suppose you have an alternative method of catching the traitor?

Alright, alright... Vote: Khann. Happy now.

[seireikhaan]

Alright, alright... Vote: Khann. Happy now.

No.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

You misspelled my name

[Quintus.JC]

Additionally, only through voting can we ferret out the mafia. Best example, methinks, is Prometheus. Myself, Reenk, and Pizzaguy, when it came down to actually having to lodge votes, voted very similarly. This game is following a similar pattern in that there are no early kills. Is the mafia(traitor) bribing others to join him?

Sorry but I wasn't part of Prometheus and have little idea of what had happen in that game, but I'll take a peek now.

[Quintus.JC]

Vote: seireikhaan

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

I prefer you old name

[Reenk Roink]

I suppose you have an alternative method of catching the traitor?

Discussion! Like right now, you are making yourself suspicious to me just by talking. And Quintus.JC is making himself suspicious to you just by talking.

Mafia are stupid; they will make blatant mistakes. The only question is if they will be caught...

Additionally, only through voting can we ferret out the mafia. Best example, methinks, is Prometheus. Myself, Reenk, and Pizzaguy, when it came down to actually having to lodge votes, voted very similarly. This game is following a similar pattern in that there are no early kills. Is the mafia(traitor) bribing others to join him?

That was one game, in which you and Pizzaguy always found yourselves in deep trouble EVERY round.

Seamus and I in Mafia V never voted together except once. Proletariat and I in Rise of the Mob never voted together at all.

[Quintus.JC]

Just checked Prometheaus. Khaan is right, if the mafia is able to recruit we're be in deep trouble. Blind lynches isn't going to do any good. Anway at this point I'm starting to see sense in starting lynching people.

Unvote: Khann

Start talking people...

[ULC]

Mafia are stupid; they will make blatant mistakes. The only question is if they will be caught...

Ah, don't say that Reenk! I thought you made a smart mafia in the Prometheus .

But a quick question - is there a traitor and FBI agent? To me this wasn't made very clear. If we have both, then are they working together, or are they akin to two mafia families? Or, as has been suggested, one recruits, the other kills?

Hmmm, how bout I add something useful instead of just idle mullings about the nature of the mafia, and adding undue paranoia? What would happen if we never lynched at all? I mean, even if the mafia do recruit, they would start voting, or need to vote as a block or rather cunningly to win, otherwise suspicion immediately falls upon them. To me though, we should ignore that - not out of stupidity or just error, but rather because it may just lead us chasing ghosts, and letting the mafia laugh at us as we destroy ourselves in a fit of madness.

Shoot, I don't think I've added anything - I hate when all I have is my own private musings and nothing to go on, I sound like I am speaking in circles, or just mouthing rhetoric .

Dissect my post as usual at your own leisure. I'm going to go fall asleep and hope that my brain wakes up with me...

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm with khaan on this one. Here's a transcript of what will happen if we all decide to vote no lynch:

Round 4
Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch

ATPG: Nobody lynched, nobody killed. Begin round 5.

Round 5

Person A: No lynch
Person B: No lynch
Person C: No lynch
Person D: No lynch
Person E: No lynch
Person F: No lynch
Person G: No lynch
Person H: No lynch
Person I: No lynch
Person J: No lynch
Person K: No lynch
Person L: No lynch

ATPG: ...

~~~~~~~~~~

Now, this may just be me, but the differences in posting behavior between Persons A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, and L aren't enough for me to determine who is mafia.

I'm down with some people voting no lynch, but there needs to be some sort of dissent and discussion or otherwise the above will happen. Ultimately it's just another easy bandwagon for the mafia to hide in.

[woad&fangs]

Mmm... No murder on night 1, is there someone among us thats really unactive recently?

Vote: Quintus.JC

Because he's tried to be very "middle-of-the-roadish" and I don't like his post after night 1.(see above). It's stated right in the opening post that it will be hard for the mafia to kill at first. Also, with 13 living people it would have been easy for him to check himself if someone has been fairly inactive. It looks like he was trying to steer the discussion in a useless direction.

[Yoyoma1910]

Apologies, QJC, you werent in the tally as an abstain..

That's because Quintus never made an actual vote last round. Unless I've overlooked something 5 times.

[Chaotix]

Hm...

Vote: shlin again.

I think that he's using his silly persona as a defense so that he can vote for anyone he wants, with really no reason. Just because he's attracting attention to himself does not label him as careless and therefore innocent. Right now, he feels the most suspicious to me.

[Quintus.JC]

Vote: Quintus.JC

Because he's tried to be very "middle-of-the-roadish" and I don't like his post after night 1.(see above). It's stated right in the opening post that it will be hard for the mafia to kill at first. Also, with 13 living people it would have been easy for him to check himself if someone has been fairly inactive. It looks like he was trying to steer the discussion in a useless direction.

I don't see anything wrong with my post on night 1, what's wrong with stating the obvious?

The discussion before I bumped in was what the message of 'El Diablo's face was riddled with bullets, as was his chest.' meant, you say I was trying to steer away from that discussion. But what has that message got to do with me? it doesn't link towards me in any way possible.

Your post on night 1 was pretty suspcisious too, if I may recall.

vote: Reenk Roink
because someone has to get the voting started.

Because someone has to get the voting started... that was your reason, and you didn't change your vote afterwards. If Reenk Roink was lynched that would be your reason for wanting to lynch him?

[Reenk Roink]

Ah, don't say that Reenk! I thought you made a smart mafia in the Prometheus .

I appreciate the kind words, but basically, I made the mistake of making my fake PM's contradictory with the hosts writeups. It's just that nobody but me noticed.

I'm not saying everybody no lynch's every round (that won't happen anyway). I'm just saying we have a good tool to delay the killings, let's use it when applicable.

[shlin28]

That's because Quintus never made an actual vote last round. Unless I've overlooked something 5 times.

Exactly, Quintus kept his vote till the last minute, and even then his vote is terribly wrong. (It wasn't bolded and its in brackets...) Methinks this is very very fishy.

Keep pressure on Quintus people! (In my case the barrel of my gun )

To Chaotix: I am not careless, I was being stupid in the earlier phases because there was nothing to act on... But now, there is something suspicious about Quintus, and I am ready to hound him like a vigilante hounds a criminal.

[Yoyoma1910]

But a quick question - is there a traitor and FBI agent? To me this wasn't made very clear. If we have both, then are they working together, or are they akin to two mafia families? Or, as has been suggested, one recruits, the other kills?

Judging from the writeups, I definatly think we have an FBI agent, "Agent 824."


It also seems there is a traitor, unless that is the FBI agent.


There's also this line:

Everyone has revealed who they are, and so working out who the traitor is should be relatively simple.

??????

[woad&fangs]

Your post on night 1 was pretty suspcisious too, if I may recall.

Because someone has to get the voting started... that was your reason, and you didn't change your vote afterwards. If Reenk Roink was lynched that would be your reason for wanting to lynch him?

wrong, I changed my vote twice after voting for reenk. First to Shlin and then to Tevash.

[Chaotix]

I wonder if "824" corresponds somehow with the mafia's name... ATPG can't have put that there without a reason. Although I can't begin to guess at how to decode it, if it even means anything.

[White_eyes:D]

I have a gripe - technically, "abstain" means you have no preference as to who is lynched, and is more to indicate your continued particpation. There has always been a difference between that and "no lynch".

Anyways, Vote: White Eyes

Ok, I will vote for you GH Vote:GeneralHankerchief happy now? (I have no idea why but your voting for me these past two rounds is starting to get on my nerves, more then YLC saying "I told you so")

[GeneralHankerchief]

You were still arguing/talking about how we should vote based on role assignments when it was pretty well established that that road got us nowhere.

[White_eyes:D]

You were still arguing/talking about how we should vote based on role assignments when it was pretty well established that that road got us nowhere.

??? Find that post and quote it so I can see it....I never said anything about roles being more guilty then others.... I was wondering the Million dollar question of 'can the mafia recruit?' last guy that said that you didn't vote for or voice suspicions.....

[Beefy187]

I wonder what ATPG meant by "Your running out of time" or what ever.

My original thought was that no lynch is good for the town if we have roles like detectives investigating everyone.

But if we are being watched by the FBI, that could mean that if we don't lynch the FBI agent by the time we put our plans in action, we'll all be caught and dadaa... End of our ambitions.

Heres my thought

Aim of FBI: to survive until the end of the game.

Aim of the traitor: Kill everyone and take the money by him/her self.

So I think FBI and the traitor are two different person.

So if thats the case, assuming we will get role reveals on the write up, if we lynch the right guy, we should start lynching like crazy before we get to the gold. Agent code 824 could mean anything from something which happened in year 824 (which I did a search on Wiki and got nothing), meaning there is a number in name (Yoyoma, Shlin, Aries, Beefy, Chaotix), or alphabetical code which is hbd or hx which doesn't make. If theres any more ideas, shoot as theres not much clues so far.

I'll vote later when I see more reactions and discussions

[GeneralHankerchief]

??? Find that post and quote it so I can see it....I never said anything about roles being more guilty then others.... I was wondering the Million dollar question of 'can the mafia recruit?' last guy that said that you didn't vote for or voice suspicions.....

Here's the post that triggered my vote. I voted you immediately after this post.

You responded with the following defense:

Reason? or are you Mafia and trying to slowly get rid of town? (I helped with discussion....)
but you seem to want someone Lynched......(as you didn't vote last round......thought town's paranoia was enough?)

To which I elegantly countered () here:

Wrong twice over, my friend. Firstly, I did vote last round, for Ares. Secondly, there is good discussion and bad discussion. Bad discussion, such as when we're trying to determine the mafia based on role names alone, not only distracts the town but is also good foil for a mafioso trying to blend in. Again, we could talk about this forever and still not get anywhere, but you would still look good because, hey, you're helping discussion while in reality just leading the town in circles.

I'd prefer it if we focused on thread behavior, such as the current trend towards figuring out what shlin is playing at. But I don't think we'll have to worry about that if you get lynched.

This current discussion we're having about an FBI agent is different in that it's actually productive and we could strategize about our efforts to take down the bad guy(s?) depending on the general consensus.

[TevashSzat]

If we don't at least try to lynch someone soon, I predict that we will be in for an epically long game of inaction.

@GH

I think White_eyes:D is just really confused atm since I doubt that the mafia would make a mistake such as this so blatantly.

Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago

Edit: Tally

Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)

Quintus is firmly in the lynching lead.....

[Beefy187]

If we don't at least try to lynch someone soon, I predict that we will be in for an epically long game of inaction.

@GH

I think White_eyes:D is just really confused atm since I doubt that the mafia would make a mistake such as this so blatantly.

Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago

I did explain why I voted for White_eyes about a page ago as well. But I did screw up so I dont mind you voting for me

[White_eyes:D]

But why have you overlooked Beefy's weird behavior, GH? and you just kinda jumped on me when I first came up with the idea of the FBI/Traitors motives....

In any case the only thing that worries me, is that maybe the FBI agent can recruit.......I think that the traitor wants all the Gold for himself and will likely want everyone dead....(unless I missed something and the traitor is working with the Feds....)*goes back to check opening write-up*

Then after that you voted for me....

Unvote: khaan
Vote: White eyes

I think if we continue the discussion about the possibility that X role might be the traitor solely because of the role's name, we could talk about this until the cows come home and still not be anywhere

Could it be your the Fed? and I was onto something?
Because Beefy has been saying the same things but you have not jumped on him....

I wonder what ATPG meant by "Your running out of time" or what ever.

My original thought was that no lynch is good for the town if we have roles like detectives investigating everyone.

But if we are being watched by the FBI, that could mean that if we don't lynch the FBI agent by the time we put our plans in action, we'll all be caught and dadaa... End of our ambitions.

Heres my thought

Aim of FBI: to survive until the end of the game.

Aim of the traitor: Kill everyone and take the money by him/her self.

So I think FBI and the traitor are two different person.

So if thats the case, assuming we will get role reveals on the write up, if we lynch the right guy, we should start lynching like crazy before we get to the gold. Agent code 824 could mean anything from something which happened in year 824 (which I did a search on Wiki and got nothing), meaning there is a number in name (Yoyoma, Shlin, Aries, Beefy, Chaotix), or alphabetical code which is hbd or hx which doesn't make. If theres any more ideas, shoot as theres not much clues so far.

I'll vote later when I see more reactions and discussions

I might be wrong be it DOES make sense that you would try to get a bandwagon on me and might have recuited Beefy....since he has been doing things VERY oddly.....like voting for me when I clearly had a vote on me from you and 'claiming he made a mistake'.....