The Golden Rule [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

Given that Quintus.JC is looks to die, I will vote: seireikhaan in the hopes that the gang bandwagons to a more suspicious choice.

Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenkurity)

I am not pleased at the way certain people are trying to dominate the discussion. Very scummy to me...

[GeneralHankerchief]

TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection.

Unvote: White eyes
Vote: I'm here and will vote somebody soon, but in the meantime I'm not really voting but at the same time I sort of am

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: Tevash

Made an odd comment earlier. I'll look things over more tomorrow.

[White_eyes:D]

Given that Quintus.JC is looks to die, I will vote: seireikhaan in the hopes that the gang bandwagons to a more suspicious choice.

Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenkurity)

I am not pleased at the way certain people are trying to dominate the discussion. Very scummy to me...

Then start trying to discuss stuff....Unvote:GH Vote:Reenk Come on I am waiting...

[Beefy187]

But why have you overlooked Beefy's weird behavior, GH? and you just kinda jumped on me when I first came up with the idea of the FBI/Traitors motives....
Then after that you voted for me....Could it be your the Fed? and I was onto something?
Because Beefy has been saying the same things but you have not jumped on him.... I might be wrong be it DOES make sense that you would try to get a bandwagon on me and might have recuited Beefy....since he has been doing things VERY oddly.....like voting for me when I clearly had a vote on me from you and 'claiming he made a mistake'.....

I've said this before (Im pretty sure it was you) but 2 votes on you is not bandwagon. I apologize for putting your life at risk but your not convincing me that you are innocent (although your current playing style fits the usual one).

Just be warned. If I can't find anyone more suspicious then this time I am going to vote for you and this time with a proper reason not random vote.

Reenk: Dominating the discussion seems to be the only way to find the scum right now. At least the quality of the discussion is a lot better compared to round 1.

[ULC]

Argh, so hard to keep up with - I sleep for 10 hours and wow there is a lot to absorb. Good discussion guys , even if my brain is clanking away to understand whats happening. But we seem to be getting off topic now by patting our back. But I'll be honest, I don't find either White Eyes or QJC suspicious - true, they have said something's that can be suspicious, but neither really trigger my senses...I'm more leary of those who would try to control the situation using strawmen, like GeneralHankerchief. He seems intent on persecuting White Eyes and always returns to him each round, even if there are better suspects, and then when countered, switches to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion.

Vote:GeneralHanckerchief

[GeneralHankerchief]

That makes absolutely no sense.

[ULC]

That makes absolutely no sense.

Strange defense you have there GeneralHankerchief. Please, if I am wrong, it's better to disprove me and set me straight so the town may then draw conclusions from proper argument. Allowing my (possibly nonsensical) argument stand by not arguing it in depth will not help the town, yourself, or me either.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Please, if I am wrong, it's better to disprove me and set me straight

I would, but then someone would vote you for "when countered, switch[ing] to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion."

-edit- Unrelated, but when did I suddenly become "GeneralHankerchief" to you instead of GH?

[ULC]

I would, but then someone would vote you for "when countered, switch[ing] to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion."

And there is a problem with people voting for me? Or are you disproving me by not disproving me

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'm using your own statements against you to prove their inherent fallacy.

[seireikhaan]

Unvote: Quintus

Vote: YLC

FoS: Quintus

I fail to see how GH has "dominated the discussion using strawmen". You are inventing reasons to vote for an skilled and, at least of now, helpful, player. Further, almost all of your posts have contained a ridiculous amount of WIFOM, in particular your first post this round. Lastly, I get suspicious when people pat the town on the back.

[ULC]

I'm using your own statements against you to prove their inherent fallacy.

I was only commenting on past behavior GH, not current or future behavior, so you will excuse me creating an argument based on it. Would you then please kindly explain your past behavior, and the reasoning behind it? To me at least, it is suspicious.

EDIT - Just saw SK's post.

Yes, my posts contain lots of WIFOM, that should be obvious. I haven't been as helpful as I'd like to be, and I am sorry for that. But I am only trying to stir up discussion, even if it's aimed at me, even if everyone of my arguments is WIFOM or illogical and I get voted because of it. If you remember Khaan, in my RE mafia, the town was basically silent and Chaotix went unmolested, and twice your vote killed off two town at the last moment, because no one discussed anything. I'm not trying to bash you, I am just saying - town loses without discussion.

[GeneralHankerchief]

My past behavior, as I have already explained, was based on White Eye's continued insistence to discuss things related to the "FBI Agent". At the time, I thought "FBI Agent" was another game-assigned role like Computer Engineer, ex-SWAT, or Mastermind, not realizing it was another potential town threat. Later, I realized this was the case and dropped my vendetta.

[ULC]

My past behavior, as I have already explained, was based on White Eye's continued insistence to discuss things related to the "FBI Agent". At the time, I thought "FBI Agent" was another game-assigned role like Computer Engineer, ex-SWAT, or Mastermind, not realizing it was another potential town threat. Later, I realized this was the case and dropped my vendetta.

o_O? Come again? No insult intended in anyway, but that would have been fairly easy to look up, since there is a list present in in the beginning of the game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yeah, but I didn't.

[ULC]

Yeah, but I didn't.

So, your telling me you voted for him on an assumption that could have been easily checked, but didn't because of laziness?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Pretty much.

[Quintus.JC]

Exactly, Quintus kept his vote till the last minute, and even then his vote is terribly wrong. (It wasn't bolded and its in brackets...) Methinks this is very very fishy.

Keep pressure on Quintus people! (In my case the barrel of my gun )

To Chaotix: I am not careless, I was being stupid in the earlier phases because there was nothing to act on... But now, there is something suspicious about Quintus, and I am ready to hound him like a vigilante hounds a criminal.

Very fishy? the unbolded vote was a clear mistake, I knew that but couldn't edit my post containning the vote, so I simply posted a new one. The bracket abstain was simply a reminder of what I had voted earlier.

You was being stupid becuase in the earlier phases there was nothing to act on, but now there something suspcious about me and you've come to your senses. Thats a strange explaination coming from you Shlin, plus you don't seems to be much in the discussion apart from voting for me and starting a bandwaggon.

Vote: Shlin

[shlin28]

Very fishy? the unbolded vote was a clear mistake, I knew that but couldn't edit my post containning the vote, so I simply posted a new one. The bracket abstain was simply a reminder of what I had voted earlier.

You was being stupid becuase in the earlier phases there was nothing to act on, but now there something suspcious about me and you've come to your senses. Thats a strange explaination coming from you Shlin, plus you don't seems to be much in the discussion apart from voting for me and starting a bandwaggon.

Vote: Shlin

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You do realise that you made NO valid votes last round right? No bolded ones, nope, nada, just a wrong vote at the end of the phase... I looked through all your posts last round, there were no bolded writings to be seen.

In any case, how is starting a bandwagon wrong? Others have free will, its not like I have my gun barrel pointed at their necks. Surely they are the ones who are suspicious as they got on my bandwagon.

[TevashSzat]

Okay, the banter between YLC and GH got really confusing and didn't really make sense so here is what I think YLC was trying to say

If we don't at least try to lynch someone soon, I predict that we will be in for an epically long game of inaction.

@GH

I think White_eyes:D is just really confused atm since I doubt that the mafia would make a mistake such as this so blatantly.

Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago

Edit: Tally

Quintus 3: (w&f, khaan, shlin)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (White_eyes)
White_eyes 1: (GH)
shlin 1: (Chaotix)

Quintus is firmly in the lynching lead.....

I posted this saying how White_eyes didn't seem that scummy

TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection.

Unvote: White eyes
Vote: I'm here and will vote somebody soon, but in the meantime I'm not really voting but at the same time I sort of am

A few posts later, GH stopped voting for White_eyes

Vote: Tevash

Made an odd comment earlier. I'll look things over more tomorrow.

And then imedietely in the next post, he voted for me.

Argh, so hard to keep up with - I sleep for 10 hours and wow there is a lot to absorb. Good discussion guys , even if my brain is clanking away to understand whats happening. But we seem to be getting off topic now by patting our back. But I'll be honest, I don't find either White Eyes or QJC suspicious - true, they have said something's that can be suspicious, but neither really trigger my senses...I'm more leary of those who would try to control the situation using strawmen, like GeneralHankerchief. He seems intent on persecuting White Eyes and always returns to him each round, even if there are better suspects, and then when countered, switches to a "better" suspect to quickly end the discussion.

Vote:GeneralHanckerchief

So thats why YLC was saying that when someone (me) "countered" GH's vote, he quickly switched to a "better" suspect (me again) to end the discussion

Anyways, updated tally:

Quintus 2: (w&f, shlin)
shlin 2: (Chaotix, Quintus)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (YLC)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenk)
Reenk 1: (White_eyes)
YLC 1: (khaan)
Tevash 1: (GH)

Please update this when you vote on someone because it takes a while to update it after like 20 posts

[Beefy187]

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You do realise that you made NO valid votes last round right? No bolded ones, nope, nada, just a wrong vote at the end of the phase... I looked through all your posts last round, there were no bolded writings to be seen.

In any case, how is starting a bandwagon wrong? Others have free will, its not like I have my gun barrel pointed at their necks. Surely they are the ones who are suspicious as they got on my bandwagon.

When bandwagon occurs, that means there were enough evidence or scumminess that everyone just piles on one fellow. Which means if you get bandwagon, its your fault for being scummy. Like Shlin said, I dont see how starting a bandwagoning is a bad thing.

This round gave us 3 suspicious players.

I cant see how not bolding the vote makes Quintus suspicious. Perhaps a little over defensive but thats about it.

Secondly GH who was accused to be controlling the discussion which I fail to see what is wrong with it. At least his giving us discussion, even though that has possibility of misleading. As for him voting for White_eyes last round, considering iirc GH has never played with White_eyes before White_eyes does seem extremely scummy although that is his natural playing style.

YLC I saw contradiction in your post saying "town lost without discussion." Isn't that what exactly GH is doing right now? Promoting discussion?

I am more weary of Reenk. Please explain why you voted for Seireikhaan and how he is acting suspicious.

Vote: Reenk


Quintus 2: (w&f, shlin)
shlin 2: (Chaotix, Quintus)

Beefy 1: (Tevash)
GH 1: (YLC)
seireikhaan: 1 (Reenk)
Reenk 2: (White_eyes, Beefy)
YLC 1: (khaan)
Tevash 1: (GH)

[Thermal]

Took a while to read, firstly please tell me if you'd like me to get involved with discussion or shut up for once, because it seems the more i talk the more i'm criticized, everyone is active so it will be hard voting, seeing as no lynch is frowned upon

@Yoyoma
I do realize it looks scummy saying my role looked innocent, but me along with 9 others, there were only 4 that i thought looked a bit dodgy, regardless as GH pointed out that method of voting is quite flawed, more or less giving us a focus point for days ones normal random lynch, plus the fact we don't know if the FBI and traitor are the same person or not, if theres 2 i would have thought they'd of been a night kill by now though anyway if i knew the FBI were involved massively in fraud, then i'd be committing suicide by posting the role descriptions.

Some suspicions do seem to be took out of hand i.e: Quintus' unbolded vote, how on earth is that suspicious?

I have noticed Tevash is rather active, and his posts look big because he quotes alot, when really he doesn't explain much at all, furthermore he constantly keeps a tally, helpful no doubt but easily his motive to show he's being helpful, to conceal attention from himself

Mentioning such as

"Anyways, I will just vote:Beefy for the same reasons I stated about a page ago"

Ummmm, first of all i have 80 posts a page so that would just confuse me, you don't summarize what this reason is, and it just feels like your reason for voting is degraded, explain again, we shouldn't have to look back to an unspecified post, probably in the hope people will take your word for it rather than look themselves.

Having said this its still a weak plea and i don't believe your the traitor/FBI, just a few minor things i pointed out no matter how nonsensical it may sound

yeah and tell me if u want me too shut up or speak more, then i won't get sued for supposedly lurking/or/and/over-active posting

[ULC]

YLC I saw contradiction in your post saying "town lost without discussion." Isn't that what exactly GH is doing right now? Promoting discussion?

Yes, but to me it seemed as if GH was posting bare minimum unless directly questioned or confronted, which seemed a bit shady to me. Then his reason for voting White Eyes was rather lazy and nonsensical - he never bothered to check his resources when he accused White Eyes, and jumped on him when he began discussing it, making the sudden assumption White Eyes was said agent - and made me do a double take.

My vote stands for now.

[Beefy187]

Yes, but to me it seemed as if GH was posting bare minimum unless directly questioned or confronted, which seemed a bit shady to me. Then his reason for voting White Eyes was rather lazy and nonsensical - he never bothered to check his resources when he accused White Eyes, and jumpoed on him when he began discussing it, making the sudden assumption White Eyes was said agent - and made me do a double take.

My vote stands for now.

Fair enough. Makes sense to me

[Thermal]

when does day end? i need to know when i have to vote by

[TevashSzat]

I have noticed Tevash is rather active, and his posts look big because he quotes alot, when really he doesn't explain much at all, furthermore he constantly keeps a tally, helpful no doubt but easily his motive to show he's being helpful, to conceal attention from himself

Well, I'm active because I'm on Christmas break right now and don't have too much to do at home.

I don't explain much because I don't see anyone particularly scummy atm

I keep a tally because well, I often keep tallies in the mafia games I play

[GeneralHankerchief]

Yes, but to me it seemed as if GH was posting bare minimum unless directly questioned or confronted, which seemed a bit shady to me. Then his reason for voting White Eyes was rather lazy and nonsensical - he never bothered to check his resources when he accused White Eyes, and jumped on him when he began discussing it, making the sudden assumption White Eyes was said agent - and made me do a double take.

My vote stands for now.

That's not the reason why I voted for White Eyes. I voted for White Eyes because I thought he was continuing to push the whole "hey, let's lynch because this role sounds suspicious" line of discussion.

[Thermal]

Well, I'm active because I'm on Christmas break right now and don't have too much to do at home.

I don't explain much because I don't see anyone particularly scummy atm

I keep a tally because well, I often keep tallies in the mafia games I play

fair enough, it wasn't really a point, just trying to tie a few loose ends

[ULC]

That's not the reason why I voted for White Eyes. I voted for White Eyes because I thought he was continuing to push the whole "hey, let's lynch because this role sounds suspicious" line of discussion.

Yet when I questioned you, you gave me the "FBI agent" line. And again, it wasn't White Eyes who pushed that, and I noticed when he brought it up, you switched your vote on the basis that 'TBH, I thought "FBI Agent" was one of ATPG's pre-assigned roles in the beginning, which is why I jumped on you. Sorry I didn't make the connection.'

Yet he was only discussing the motives of the agent - neither of your reasons for accusing him are valid. Either your being lazy, incompetent, and neither are you - I find you to be a much more meticulous player then this GH...