The Golden Rule [Concluded]

[ULC]

Vote: Ares, as I think Yoyoma's explanation makes sense with the type of clues ATPG usually leaves.

Also, to YLC, if you die, I don't think you're allowed to post anymore, so you'll have to stay alive if you want to be helpful- not the other way around.

No, I am not, but anything I posted premortem you'll be able to take seriously. But on another note, if you want my help now, don't jump on Ares because of the note - it's just too obvious, and second, notice that it's "Eternal Darkness" not "eternal darkness", thus meaning this is referring to something specific, not just a general idea such as "death". A quick Google gets me this.

The other half of the letter though, I have no clue.

[Beefy187]

Although I think theres a deeper meaning in that letter, I really don't have the skill to interpret it.

Ill follow the bandwagon on Aries just because his the forgery expert and backwards writing is hard to write.

Vote: Ares

Just wondering why they would leave the message though. It kinda backfires (I know Pizza guy is the one whos doing it but)

I've read through all the posts so far. Still can't find a answer to the riddles and the meaning of the note, I found a passage in the opening thread which pretty much describes what we are dealing with.

Any FBI agent would not simply kill them, he would be waiting for the appropriate moment to contact headquarters, gathering information every night. But if cornered, the FBI agent could use deadly force to defend himself.

Meaning while the FBI agent has the ability to kill, his real objective is to survive till they gain enough information. Also several passages shows that FBI are watching out for the traitor. Suggesting possible traitor resistance.

The traitor waited for the appropriate moment to make his move. If he could survive long enough, he would not be so outnumbered, and he could gun down the others.

I believe the traitor wont get to use his ability until the number of gang gets reduced down to certain numbers. Or maybe he has a percentage of kill success rate and he is not risking to make his move until he has a high percentage. One of the two.

However that doesn't make this game too different from the normal mafia games. Perhaps God (ATPG) has some surprise waiting for us.

Congrats to YLC for actually getting something out of that clue. Only thing I got is a youtube clip of Paul (something... Forgot his name) singing.

Found this book called "The Tome of Eternal Darkness" which appears in the game "Eternal Darkness"

"Fine Line" may mean some line in that book leading to either the FBI agent or the Traitor

[seireikhaan]

Something isn't right here, guys. Why on earth would Pizzaguy leave such an obvious clue to the mafia's identity? While I must give kudos to Yoyoma for the analysis, I must respectfully disagree with the intent. I have a distinct feeling that the "clue" if it is indeed an actual clue and not something to make us chase our own tail around with, is designed to be more in a series of clues, or something to be used in the future. Why are we chasing semi-clues from the host instead of thread behavior? This seems all too easy...

[Thermal]

Isn't Ares the forgery expert? A forgery expert would be good at concealing his own handwriting. Perhaps the fact that it would be difficult to perform a handwriting analysis is a lead to the possibility that there is only one person aboard the ship who can change his handwriting style.

this point has been made several times, it was my idea to do role reveals and look where its got me

[Thermal]

Something isn't right here, guys. Why on earth would Pizzaguy leave such an obvious clue to the mafia's identity? While I must give kudos to Yoyoma for the analysis, I must respectfully disagree with the intent. I have a distinct feeling that the "clue" if it is indeed an actual clue and not something to make us chase our own tail around with, is designed to be more in a series of clues, or something to be used in the future. Why are we chasing semi-clues from the host instead of thread behavior? This seems all too easy...

thats what i thought, but try telling them that!

[seireikhaan]

thats what i thought, but try telling them that!

I just did.

[ULC]

I just did.

And I pointed it out as well. This is not strong evidence, and it makes me believe the Host did not write this at all, but either the Traitor or the FBI did and they asked ATPG to put it up. It seems crafted to implicate Ares, all the while meaning something else, or I am just following it to far and it was only ever meant to implicate Ares.

[Thermal]

I just did.

yes, i guess you did





well i'm not gonna get worked up like i did in fillet royale, what will be will be

[seireikhaan]

Problem with that hypothesis, YLC, is that it was (at least supposed to be) in the lynch writeup. I have never heard of a host letting the mafia have influence of lynch writeups. So I don't think it was so much planted as just useless tripe with which the host wishes to confuse us.

[ULC]

Well, at least we agree it is garbage at least until something else comes up. If IIRC though, didn't one of the original mafia games have mafia influence in the lynch write up? Something about a Cadmium chain that got Discovery lynched I believe, or some such.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, at least we agree it is garbage at least until something else comes up. If IIRC though, didn't one of the original mafia games have mafia influence in the lynch write up? Something about a Cadmium chain that got Discovery lynched I believe, or some such.

I think I have some authority to speak on this subject.

No, in my games the lynch writeups have solely been my domain. The mafia can influence the kill writeups, but the lynch scene is and has always been The Forbidden Zone.

(BTW, just because I'm anal, Disco's partner Masy made it an osmium chain, which unknowingly implicated Disco)

[ULC]

Yes, I knew it was yours! Although I got the Osmium wrong I read through that whole thing believe it or not, some interesting things come up in your mafia games GH

[Beefy187]

Strictly speaking it was done during the night phase not the lynch scene. So I think someone set up Ares is possible.

But hey.. What else is there to go on with right now?

[shlin28]

Looking over ATPG's warning, it does seem that Ares seemed to be framed. I am very tempted to unvote him, if we actually have any evidence against anyone apart from him and YLC. ( I don't see how YLC voting for himself is scummy, I do it all the time )

I would say our FBI agent lies amongst this tally, crossing out Ares and YLC, we have 5 people that could possibly be the FBI agent, and all of them had come under suspicion a lot in this game it would seem.

Ares: 2
Chaotix: 1
Beefy: 1
Yoyoma: 1
YLC: 1
TevashSzat: 1
Seireikhaan: 1

Choices choices choices... *reads over the entire thread again* I will see if I can dig anything up.

[Yoyoma1910]

Hmmm.


I was hoping my analysis would drum up more discussion and less joining...

I still personally feel that Ares is a good suspect, but then again if he is innocent, this wouldn't be the first game I've found him highly suspicious unduly in see Beefy game, Duel of Fates. I'd also note that I am only human, and my interpretation of what is written could be swayed by my own prejudices.

I don't know, Ares, something about your playing style always seems to make me wonder about your motivations.

Though I do agree, especially with Pizza's last comment, that this worm likely has a hook in it. Then again, he could be intervening to throw us off the scent he placed himself.

Perhaps "Eternal Darkness" has to do with those that lynch El Diablo. Or perhaps its supposed to imply a relationship with YLC's resident evil game... I don't know?

[Reenk Roink]

I've never played a Pizzaguy Mafia game before so forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think basically everything he has posted is smoke and mirrors (the roles, writeups, and his clues). This based on how Pizzaguy plays at other times.

I mean look at this:

Another close call today. I am confident that our equipment will not be detected.

This kind of contradictory and confusing message is typical of what we've got so far. My guess is that Pizzaguy is helping the Mafia because he made the game stacked against them. I remember skimming his Futurama Mafia and noticing he mentioned doing the same thing for the town.

I don't like how woad&fangs and General Hankerchief just jumped on the bandwagon with poor reasons (as compared to TevashSzat and Chaotix27 who look less like "I just want to get that guy lynched) that is going on for Aries and YLC, who may be suspicious, but as of now are driving the discussion. We shouldn't punish them for it.

Vote: woad&fangs

[Thermal]

vote: Aries https://img258.imageshack.us/img258/...ndwagonqr2.gif
though YLC seems somewhat suspicious as well.

this in-particular sums up what reenk said, that you said me and YLC are suspicious with no explanation relying on others logic for your motives, i have nothing to go on, and as i'm not suicidal, i may vote against you too

[shlin28]

I keep getting the feeling that Ares is TOO suspicious for him to be guilty... I'm probably gonna live to regret this... but... Unvote: Ares, Vote: Beefy

Bandwagonner.

[Yoyoma1910]

@ Reenk:


I believe that line may be tied to this section from the opening post:

..........On this tanker filled with enough gold to buy and sell entire nations, the remaining 13 members of this group convened to decide who among them was the traitor... and who among them might have been an informant to the FBI... perhaps, even an FBI agent undercover. They watched each other very carefully. Any FBI agent would not simply kill them, he would be waiting for the appropriate moment to contact headquarters, gathering information every night. But if cornered, the FBI agent could use deadly force to defend himself.

[Beefy187]

This kind of contradictory and confusing message is typical of what we've got so far. My guess is that Pizzaguy is helping the Mafia because he made the game stacked against them. I remember skimming his Futurama Mafia and noticing he mentioned doing the same thing for the town.

I don't see how that clue could help the mafia. Its more likely for the town

And in Futurama mafia, Pizzaguy did help a town with lots of clues but he made the professor mafia so we were pretty much stuffed from the start

To Shlin: Cmon! I'm fifth on the wagon!!

[Reenk Roink]

The problem I have with the statement is that the log says "close call" which suggests he was close to being lynched? That seems to be a hint that the FBI Agent is one of the people who were voted for that round.

However, he then says he is "confident that our equipment will not be detected" which is weird because firstly what equipment? And worse, now he is confident that something will not be detected right after he said that was a close call...

[Thermal]

this in-particular sums up what reenk said, that you said me and YLC are suspicious with no explanation relying on others logic for your motives, i have nothing to go on, and as i'm not suicidal, i may vote against you too

vote: woad & fangs

i'm not just voting for him because he already has a vote, you all know that voting is incredably differcult (well considering im the suspect its differcult for me anyway) i just believe hes a tad bit more suspicous than the rest of you guys

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, Day is over. I have a heck of a writeup to do, so last minute vote changes and/or actions need to be in NOW or else they won't count.

A tally would be LOVELY.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Tally, for your correcting pleasure:

Seireikhaan Vote YLC
YLC VOTE YLC
Shlin Votes Beefy
Ares votes W&F
Yoyoma votes ares
GH vote YLC
W&F Vote Ares
Tevash Vote Ares
chaotix votes Ares
Beefy votes ares
Reenk votes W&F

Writeup to follow. Orders are in... no takebacksies.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Day Six



777Ares777 knew before the tally was even finished that he was the unlucky winner by a mile. "Before I die, I just have one thing to say... Die Yoyoma!!!" He lifted his weapon and began firing at Yoyoma, but he dove behind a metal crate and the rest of the crew opened fire. Ares dropped to the ground, blood dripping from his mouth, but he managed to mumble "I should have killed you sooner..." Everyone looked at Yoyoma with interest, but he just shrugged, as if to say "I have no idea what the hell he was talking about". Yoyoma offered to have his weapon taken away from him that night to prove his innocence, but some of the others suggested he might need it in case of a night murder.

They all began to discuss their situation. There had to be some way of proving their innocence, perhaps by doubling up in their quarters, so everyone has their eye on someone else. Others suggested that there would be no way anyone would be able to fall asleep with a gunman in the room with them, and that the locked cabin doors had worked just fine so far.

Everyone retired to their quarters for the evening...

Still Alive:

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC

Night writeup to follow... exciting stuff...

[Askthepizzaguy]

Night Six

In YLC's cabin, our lord and conqueror was fast asleep, dreaming of winning Pizzaguy's mafia game and getting all the gold for himself. However, this perhaps was not to be, for the cabin's door lock was picked open. A shadowy figure entered the room, and a gleam of light flashed off of the needle he was holding. The figure moved closer to YLC and was about to jab him in the stomach with it, when suddenly YLC's loud snoring startled his would-be attacker, and he dropped the syringe. It broke into many pieces and the poison inside spilled all over the deck.

Unwilling to make such noise as to shoot YLC, the shadowy figure crept out of the room and closed the door behind him. YLC awoke with a start, and noticed his room had been broken into.

______________

Several doors down, another figure used a stolen set of keys to open a cabin door, and the figure moved inside. GeneralHankerchief was fast asleep, clutching his automatic weapon. The intruder took out his tool kit and used tranquilizers to ensure that GH would not wake up. Then he took out his surgical tools and began to make a precision cut into GeneralHankerchief's chest cavity. He was just about to remove the pulsating heart when he heard shuffling behind him in the hall. He quickly and quietly got up and made sure the door was closed and locked. When he was sure the hallway was clear, he scrambled to safety, leaving GeneralHankerchief with an open chest wound and in serious pain when he woke up, dizzy from the blood loss, but the murder incomplete.

______________

Back in YLC's cabin, another intruder moved in for the kill, but YLC was nowhere to be found. The would-be murderer slipped away, and remained undetected.




Results:
Three attempted murders, all failures
Three successful escapes.

Ten players remaining.

CLASSIFIED FBI LOG
Agent 824, Headquarters

Reports indicate that the criminals on board the tanker are starting to panic, a sharp change in behavior from the previous nights. I am uncertain how to proceed, because I feel that now is not the time to reveal myself.

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC


Begin Day Seven

[Beefy187]

Vote: Yoyoma

Also

FoS: Khaan, Reenk

Possible suspect of the two murder attempts.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote: khaan

Claimed plastic surgeon. The intruder made a "precision cut" into my chest using "surgical tools".

[Beefy187]

Judging from the role, the second murder attempt was done by the Plastic Surgeon.

First one is possibly Reenk as he seems to be expert on locks although I am not sure.

This rules out YLC, Khaan and possibly Reenk from being FBI as YLC dreamed about taking the gold for him self, Khaan for using surgeon stuff for his kills (as they seem to be cover roles for FBI and the traitor, if he used surgeon stuff for his kill he is real surgeon)

The first kill and third kill may be done by the FBI or the traitor.

Also there is no mention of him being closed to lynch in the FBI log. Perhaps the FBI wasn't voted yesterday. Colour red means the player was not voted

Yoyoma1910
Shlin28
Quintus.JC
777Ares777 (dead. Possibly had ability to investigate?)
WhiteEyes
El Diablo
187Beefyz
GeneralHankerchief
Chaotix27
Reenk Roink
Seireikhaan
woad&fangs
TevashSzat
YLC (Probably not FBI. Suspect of traitor)


As Yoyoma was named by Ares upon death, he is one of my major suspect for being the FBI.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Judging from the role, the second murder attempt was done by the Plastic Surgeon.

First one is possibly Reenk as he seems to be expert on locks although I am not sure.

This rules out YLC, Khaan and possibly Reenk from being FBI as YLC dreamed about taking the gold for him self, Khaan for using surgeon stuff for his kills (as they seem to be cover roles for FBI and the traitor, if he used surgeon stuff for his kill he is real surgeon)

The opening writeup indicates that every person performed their task proficiently until now - i.e. the roles are more than a cover, the people are actually good at them. If somebody was the traitor or FBI agent (especially the traitor), that doesn't necessarily mean that they wouldn't use their expertise when killing people off.

Also, I'd like to know why YLC was out of his bed last night during the second murder attempt.