Converts...from Islam to Christianity?

[HoreTore]

I do, I admit I used to joke about door-to-door evangelisers before I was a Christian. However, the difference between 'missionaries' and 'militant atheists' is that the missionaries tend to at least be polite when approaching people. Militant atheists, if I may use the term, do not approach people because they want to help them, but because they want to destroy their worldview, or perhaps just feel clever. There are of course exceptions on both sides, but generally speaking this is what seems to be the case.

As I do not desire their "help", I could not care less what their motivations are.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Explain to me the difference in "destroying their worldview" when atheists are trying to deconvert or theists trying to convert.

(Taking off the god goggles is a big change in worldview though)

There isn't. "God goggles" by the way is a tiny bit offensive, I'd prefer you not use that term. It's like me talking about an "atheist blindfold". I do think, however, that it is more likely that an atheist does it to feel clever, or even out of spite on occasion, because they have far less motivation. Having said that, I do accept that some atheists believe you are better off without beliefs.

[Mooks]

There isn't. "God goggles" by the way is a tiny bit offensive, I'd prefer you not use that term. It's like me talking about an "atheist blindfold". I do think, however, that it is more likely that an atheist does it to feel clever, or even out of spite on occasion, because they have far less motivation. Having said that, I do accept that some atheists believe you are better off without beliefs.

Sorry about that then. Maybe..."God spectrum" ?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Sorry about that then. Maybe..."God spectrum" ?

We don't like the spectrum, it implies degrees (sorry, that's a denominational joke). I would suggest, "theistic worldview", because that is the difference.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

That's not true!! I also pick on conservatives, market libbies and nationalists...

Confirmed. Along with the occasional shot at capitalism in general and disdain for nations without a "proper" tradition of unionism.

[Mooks]

We don't like the spectrum, it implies degrees (sorry, that's a denominational joke). I would suggest, "theistic worldview", because that is the difference.

Iv been thinking about it. How are goggles offensive? Basically the term "god goggles" is reffering to the perspective of looking through life as everything guided by god's "plan" and that he is looking over you. Without them you see the world literally as it is, with them you see through a glass (the glass being the theistic worldview).

The first time I heard the term was when a former theist now atheist said he took them off and was scared for the first few moments, then learned to accept the world without them.

Now a blindfold implies you dont see anything, goggles on the other hand you can see things as clearly as everyone else.

[Incongruous]

Goggles implies that we have put something on in order to change the way we see things, as if we have constructed our beliefs because we are cowards or are not strong enough to view the real world.

I would advise you not to use the term in polite conversation.

[LittleGrizzly]

I can see how the goggles can be insulting and complimentary depending on how you take it...

for example go to the swimming pool and your goggles actually distort your vision, until you get underwater when they make you see clearly....

though goggles generally enable you to see better whereas a blindfold definetly hampers your vision... though tbh thier both just terms, if some reasonable made logical post by a christian mentioned an atheist blindfold i wouldn't think twice on it, some post insulting those who do not believe in god mentioning it would probably irk me a little, i would say it should apply the same to god goggles...

[HoreTore]

Confirmed. Along with the occasional shot at capitalism in general and disdain for nations without a "proper" tradition of unionism.

If it makes you feel any better, Seamus, I blame the mobsters for that last part

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Iv been thinking about it. How are goggles offensive? Basically the term "god goggles" is reffering to the perspective of looking through life as everything guided by god's "plan" and that he is looking over you. Without them you see the world literally as it is, with them you see through a glass (the glass being the theistic worldview).

The first time I heard the term was when a former theist now atheist said he took them off and was scared for the first few moments, then learned to accept the world without them.

Now a blindfold implies you dont see anything, goggles on the other hand you can see things as clearly as everyone else.

I can see how the goggles can be insulting and complimentary depending on how you take it...

for example go to the swimming pool and your goggles actually distort your vision, until you get underwater when they make you see clearly....

though goggles generally enable you to see better whereas a blindfold definetly hampers your vision... though tbh thier both just terms, if some reasonable made logical post by a christian mentioned an atheist blindfold i wouldn't think twice on it, some post insulting those who do not believe in god mentioning it would probably irk me a little, i would say it should apply the same to god goggles...

Goggles imply an altered state of vision/need for visual assistance, I do not consider that I have either. It is exactly the same as "rose tinted glasses". I used the blindfold analogy because that is often how atheists appear to me, another common trope is that you walk around with your eyes closed.

Since we are speaking from two different worldviews we should avoid loaded turns of phrase, "atheist blindfold" and "God goggles" are two such terms. I'm not personally offended, I'm just warning you that some people probably will take offense.