The Golden Rule [Concluded]

[ULC]

HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA...this is the funniest thread ever, I'm gonna go die over in that corner over there from laughing my head off...

[seireikhaan]

You need practice.

[Thermal]

wobblehead


just felt the need to revolt against ATPG's rules

[Askthepizzaguy]

There might yet be a revolt.

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right, here we go again.

What we know:

YLC is a Traitor. He also was responsible for the murder attempt on me the other night.

There were two murder attempts last night as opposed to three. Both were made by a knife-wielding attacker (a different weapon than the attempts of the previous night).

YLC claims he was set up. However, anything he says is to be taken with several piles of salt at this point.

Judging by the murder of Chaotix, it is now possible to successfully kill at night. However, considering the missed attempt on Yoyoma, it's still not a sure thing.

What we think:

I strongly believe that one person was responsible for both of last night's attempts, judging by the wording of the story. This means we're down from (probably) 3 to one. Either the town got lucky or someone is biding their time.

However, we also need to be careful. I don't think a person has ever been able to try to whack two separate people at night before.

It seems as if the naming other people in the lynch scene doesn't mean much, as we've now had two lynches in a row where the condemned party expresses his, er, wishes to another person. However, also keep in mind that YLC is a confirmed bad guy.

Contrary to my earlier belief, we're probably facing more than one Traitor (although we may be down to one after YLC's death).

The FBI Agent is still around (although maybe not, see below).

What we're not sure of:

No clue what the latest clue, "destruction of equipment" signifies. This latest report sounds like it's coming from off the ship, however. Either the folks at the J. Edgar Hoover Building in Washington are operating blind or Chaotix was the FBI agent. Either way, the FBI has experienced a setback, which is good for us.

Tevash is probably not the FBI agent, considering he got a vote last round and the last writeup mentioned nothing about the agent being in danger. However, also keep in mind my belief that the most recent report comes from off the ship. Also, despite getting a vote last round, Tevash was never in danger of being lynched.

We still have no idea how many antagonists remain, aside from "one less than last round".

I put this last, because I don't want to make too much of it considering it came from YLC, but him saying that he was "set up" could mean a couple of different things. Was the person who set him up, if there was one, somebody who voted for him? Or was it his second attacker at night, who inadvertently revealed that YLC was out of his room, trying to kill me? Since there's no way to know, we shouldn't travel down this route.

Quick thoughts on everybody left alive:

- Yoyoma got in trouble last round but so far hasn't really changed his behavior, meaning either he's a townie or a skilled mafioso. He's also looking better after YLC's lynch scene.

- shlin hasn't said as much recently.

- We're still waiting on Beefy to get back into things after his headache.

- I was named in the writeup as the person whom YLC most wished was dead. Right afterwards, he claimed he was "set up".

- Reenk thought that YLC was a bad lynch and was proven wrong. He's spent most of the game criticizing the town's behavior.

- khaan comes out of all of this smelling like a rose.

- woad has been under the radar for most of the game.

- Tevash has been under moderate fire a lot. Recently called out for his suspicious activity and has defended it. He may still be the FBI Agent.

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Vote: woad

Because I think you're being very cautious and careful.

[Yoyoma1910]

- khaan comes out of all of this smelling like a rose.

I would say Yes and No.

He was right about YLC. However, if the FBI agent is able to "gather information," as was stated in the opening sequence...


Well then, wouldn't that ability help him figure out who was guilty?


I also don't trust a man in this profession who doesn't have at least a little stink on him.

Vote:Khaan.

[Reenk Roink]

I'm really becoming way of GeneralHankerchief now. He was pushy before, but now after the kill attempts started, he seems to have it all figured out and is doing his best to "guide" the town. No offense, but you seem to have it all figured out and I can't figure out how or why you do...

How do we "know" YLC was the traitor? Askthepizzaguy is the one host who I know would love to screw with ambiguity in the write ups and YLC has stated how he would behave if lynched and angry (see The Prometheus) which is what he is doing now.

We should at least wait for the next round writeups to discern any patterns and changes.

As for seireikhaan, while I certainly don't think the recent events exonerate him in anyway, my suspicions of him have simmered down recently.

Vote: GeneralHankerchief

[GeneralHankerchief]

All I'm trying to do is sort out information and separate the fact from the speculation. In case you haven't noticed, but my "What we think" and "What we're not sure of" sections are a lot longer than the "What we know" one.

And you guys may know better than me, but does ATPG usually reveal roles upon death (especially in smaller games)?

[woad&fangs]

Vote: woad

Because I think you're being very cautious and careful.

yep. That's because I've had a pressing interest in staying alive. However, now that the FBI agent appears to be dead I might as well share my knowledge

You see...

Setting up our transactions wasn't the only thing I've been up to. Dmitry Medvedev offered me a substantial reward to kill the yankee pig-spy myself. So I bided my time, analyzing each and everyone of you until I found someone whose guilt I was convinced so thoroughly of that I decided to make my move. Yes! It was I who attempted to poison YLC with plutonium! Unfortunately, not only did I fail but it appears I was only half right. He was not the yankee pig-spy. Merely a common traitor. But now, with the apparent death of the FBI agent, I find it fruitful to reveal my ulterior motives.

ahem...

In short. I am a vigilante. I get a minor victory with a town win and a major victory if the town wins and I kill the FBI agent myself. YLC and Ares both seemed so scummy to me that I decided to kill whichever one was not lynched(I told ATPG this in the day phase). Unfortunately that 50% chance of failure decided to rear it's ugly head. I was the first attempt on YLC. The one with the syringe(which would have been filled with plutonium). I was the person who suggested a murder method to ATPG that night. With 2 kills beside my own occuring that night I decided to hold off on the kills until I was really sure I knew who the FBI agent was.

Anyways, he's dead now so I hope this info helps.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Righty-o.

Unvote: woad

-edit- Assuming woad is telling the truth, this calls into question whether YLC was trying to frame khaan or not, meaning that his speech during the lynch scene is called into question, meaning that Reenk's argument is looking better. Back to work.

[Yoyoma1910]

Are we sure the FBI agent is dead?


It still feels a little ambiguous...

[Beefy187]

It says nothing about FBI agent being dead. The FBI equipment seems to have been destroyed before this night phase according to ATPG so someone might have found out who the FBI was.

The night phase suggests one attacker attacking two in the same night. Tad too power for a vigilante so it seems that there is another traitor amongst us.

But we should be worrying about FBIs still as their equipments are gone but they seems to be able to call the navy upon us.

By the way, my head aches are gone. But yesterday I was out all day and I probably will be today as well.

[shlin28]

Sorry about my absence for the past 2 days, something unexpected came up.

Anyhoo, although the write-up does suggest that Chaotix was the FBI and the murderer was a traitor, I'm not really sure... ATPG is one confusing host, so I would not listen to anything he says.

On the other hand however, I do not get half of the reasonings for voting people some people have for their votes, and the most significant of them is Reenk Roink, who popped up after low activity and voted for someone who had weathered suspicions and actively trying to analyze. Because of this, I Vote: Reenk Roink

(Also, him wanting to wait till next round to gather intel is fishy, as if kills continue to escalate, we need aall the time we got)

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sorry about my absence for the past 2 days, something unexpected came up.

Anyhoo, although the write-up does suggest that Chaotix was the FBI and the murderer was a traitor, I'm not really sure... ATPG is one confusing host, so I would not listen to anything he says.

Oh, Shlin... poor, poor Shlin...

the idea is to not only listen to what I say, but try to figure out what else I am saying when I say it. This entire game is one giant double entendre.

You need to not only listen, but hear more than what you're hearing. Starting from the very beginning. I can't give you more clues, and this is about as far as I will go before... well...



See the one guy smiling? That's me.

[seireikhaan]

So long as we're hypothesizing about the FBI agent:

Classified FBI log
Agent 824, Headquarters

It seems someone destroyed our equipment, and we will not be able to receive any further reports. At this point, we may have to send the navy after them.

"It seems someone destroyed OUR equipment.



OUR. WE. Is this supposed to imply there is actually two agents? If not, then I fail to see how Chaotix could have been the agent; dead men tell no tales, so the saying goes. If Chaotix was the agent, then there could not have been a new log.

Unvote: TevashSzat
Vote: Woad&Fangs

I don't trust Dmitri Medvedev(aka Vlad Putin, for all intensive purposes) to have sent a killer for the purposes of just killing a Yank. Methinks he wants the gold for himself too.

[shlin28]

Oh, Shlin... poor, poor Shlin...

the idea is to not only listen to what I say, but try to figure out what else I am saying when I say it. This entire game is one giant double entendre.

You need to not only listen, but hear more than what you're hearing. Starting from the very beginning. I can't give you more clues, and this is about as far as I will go before... well...



See the one guy smiling? That's me.

I say that this statement is a double entendre, and there are in fact no clues! AT ALL!

I've read all of your posts and I see no hidden messages

[Beefy187]

Oh, Shlin... poor, poor Shlin...

the idea is to not only listen to what I say, but try to figure out what else I am saying when I say it. This entire game is one giant double entendre.

You need to not only listen, but hear more than what you're hearing. Starting from the very beginning. I can't give you more clues, and this is about as far as I will go before... well...



See the one guy smiling? That's me.

Theres 7 skulls on the left and 5 on the right? I wonder if theres any clue behind it?

[woad&fangs]

So long as we're hypothesizing about the FBI agent:

"It seems someone destroyed OUR equipment.



OUR. WE. Is this supposed to imply there is actually two agents? If not, then I fail to see how Chaotix could have been the agent; dead men tell no tales, so the saying goes. If Chaotix was the agent, then there could not have been a new log.

I believe, like GH, that the last FBI log was from the headquarters and not the agent.

[Beefy187]

Ah I see it now. GHs theory sounds right.

Apologies for a shameless bandwagon but I would have to vote for Reenk

Vote: Reenk

I see what you mean as GH dominating the discussion. However his theories seems to be pretty accurate til now. I don't really think he is one of the killers. Also he was attacked by YLC pretty badly. I don't think he could've done deadly deeds after being attacked.

I think Khaan is also innocent as YLC claimed that his the one who attacked as if he is the surgeon. Other then that write up, there is not much evidence against Khaan so far.

Reenk has avoided bandwagons and stuff so far as he is constantly opposing the mainstream lynching ideas. However as we were able to kill one scum off yesterday, I rekon the town is functioning fairly well so far.

If GH is correct and ATPGs write up is accurate, FBI is now gone (although the navy seem to know our location) and one traitor down. Although there seems to be one killer still roaming around I think we can expect a decent finale, with us all bailing with small share of the gold.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Keep in mind that the FBI agent may not be dead, just out of contact with HQ.

[Beefy187]

Keep in mind that the FBI agent may not be dead, just out of contact with HQ.

Unless ATPG is going to be mean, I guess we could find out on the next FBI log.

[Reenk Roink]

Ah I see it now. GHs theory sounds right.

Apologies for a shameless bandwagon but I would have to vote for Reenk

Vote: Reenk

I see what you mean as GH dominating the discussion. However his theories seems to be pretty accurate til now. I don't really think he is one of the killers. Also he was attacked by YLC pretty badly. I don't think he could've done deadly deeds after being attacked.

I think Khaan is also innocent as YLC claimed that his the one who attacked as if he is the surgeon. Other then that write up, there is not much evidence against Khaan so far.

Reenk has avoided bandwagons and stuff so far as he is constantly opposing the mainstream lynching ideas. However as we were able to kill one scum off yesterday, I rekon the town is functioning fairly well so far.

If GH is correct and ATPGs write up is accurate, FBI is now gone (although the navy seem to know our location) and one traitor down. Although there seems to be one killer still roaming around I think we can expect a decent finale, with us all bailing with small share of the gold.

OK, Beefy, I'm sorry to have to do this, but I will have to rip apart your post to show all the flaws with it (and at the same time show the flaws of GeneralHankercheif's theories).

You agree with me that GeneralHankerchief is dominating the discussion. Good. It seems so incredibly obvious but I really don't know how the town will react... Would you also agree that this is dangerous?

Again, I don't have much of a case against seireikhaan either anymore. He shouldn't be the focus of much as of yet given what we know: GeneralHankerchief and woad&fangs after his "reveal" are much more intriguing prospects.

This is what I think of the YLC situation. Given all I know about YLC from his behavior in The Prometheus and statements in the Prometheus and Scourge of Ephesus games he is a townie that will spitefully try to hurt the town if he is lynched.

Look how he laughs at the town in the kill writeup, and then reinforces it in the thread as well as through Askthepizzaguy's sayings.

My theory, which is much less naive that GeneralHankerchief's theory is that YLC is not the traitor but rather asked Askthepizzaguy to write his lynch writeup like that. After all, why the heck would the traitors decide to reveal that one of them were dead?

It is much more likely as I describe it.

Lastly, I do want to know one thing Beefy, you have hounded me this whole game more than anyone else? And for no good reasons as you have stated multiple times? Why is this? You know what I am beginning to think? The "Reenk is always a good choice" card has been played by Mafia before, always jumping on my suspiciousness, and I believe there's a good chance you are playing the same...

And shilin28, your reason against me is not much better either. You claim I have popped out after "low activity" which is just not true, because I have participated in every round.

[Beefy187]

At least its not getting you lynched See flawed logic is awesome. It can protect you

Okay. Now serious. I'm sorry for haunting you. Although your not right about me being the mafia, I have been lazy.... No... I have been a usual Beefy not putting much thoughts into who to lynch. And your absolutely right. Your anti town behavior has been a good reason for me to jump on you when I'm completely lost.

Paranoia is a good thing. We defs need a person who checks on the hosts write up and checks on who ever is dominating the discussion. But Beefys law of balance states that we also need extremely naive person... Sheep almost to balance things out. And Beefy is well suited for that job (Year of the sheep!)

So my apologies but ill have to keep my vote on you until I find a better things to jump on/ follow

[Reenk Roink]

Your anti town behavior

Injecting a bit of skepticism to prevent demagogues from taking control of the crew is not "anti-town" but whatever...

[seireikhaan]

I'm gonna say this again, guys: Woad reeks to me. There's something woefully wrong to me that he could be a Russian spy with no objective other than stopping the Americans when there's a load of gold on board. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[Reenk Roink]

I'm gonna say this again, guys: Woad reeks to me. There's something woefully wrong to me that he could be a Russian spy with no objective other than stopping the Americans when there's a load of gold on board. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Vote: woad&fangs

I have tied it up and now would like to see if either GeneralHankerchief or woad&fangs would like to kill me...

[woad&fangs]

On an unrelated note, I think that Shlin28 is most likely innocent because he was unexpectedly gone the last 2 days and I think it is unlikely that the mafia would send in their kill choices on the first day.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Honestly, my brain is almost fried at this point. I can't handle two mafia games at once, although Reenk looks like he's creating a trap situation by calling me and Woadsy out. If I vote Reenk, it's proof that I'm bad; if I do nothing then I'm a coward afraid to strike the final blow and playing too cautiously for a townie.

Therefore, I'm going to do something different entirely:

Vote: Tevash

[woad&fangs]

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'll call your bluff

[Reenk Roink]

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'll call your bluff

You know who to get next town.

Edit: GH on a somewhat related note, I do want to know why you accepted woad&fangs testimony so easily, especially given that it kind of calls into question your own theories?