Some joyous tidings from Israel

**Husar** · 01-08-2009, 10:17

Originally Posted by Fragony

It is really of no use having this discussion if it's has to be held witheen these limits, it's the leftist dogma about causes of terrorism, that cartoon I posted earlier nails it.

Well, it's obviously the rightist dogma to never try something new and just beat up everybody who disagrees with the rightist dogma until they are all dead/broken or comply with the rightist dogma.
Considering this method has been used throughout most of history and most of history had a lot of wars, violence and oppressed people, I don't really think it is always the best solution but then again why don't we repeat the silly mistakes of our fathers(look, no females)? After all we're really proud of them.

It's funny how Hamas holds the same rightist views thinking that bombing all Israelis to hell is the only solution that will ever work. And if they haven't died yet, they're still bombing the

out of eachother...

**Fragony** · 01-08-2009, 10:26

Originally Posted by Husar

Well, it's obviously the rightist dogma to never try something new

What do you mean, Israel has disbanded settlements, the result? Hamas celebrated it as a victory, rockets fly deeper into Israel. Israel keeps itself to the peace-treaty, the result? Well we all know the result. More rockets. Israel is trying something new, what they should have done decades ago.

**Tribesman** · 01-08-2009, 10:39

The IRA wanted the British out of ireland, not an end to the UK itself

Actually they did want an end to the UK , the clue being that people who objected to this are called Unionists because they don't want an end to the union that is the UK .
What you meant was they didn't want an end to Great Britain itself , as that is what the SNP want not the IRA .

**Tribesman** · 01-08-2009, 10:50

What do you mean, Israel has disbanded settlements

They took 8000 illegal settlers out of Gaza and moved 12000 illegal settlers into the West bank , it did so beacause despite the illegal settlers holding a quarter of the land in Gaza it just wasn't economicly viable for them down there

Israel keeps itself to the peace-treaty

Don't be silly Frag . Israel has not kept to the peace deal at all .

Israel is trying something new, what they should have done decades ago.

Bloody hell ?????
It is not trying something new , it is trying the same old failed crap that it has tried for decades .

**Tribesman** · 01-08-2009, 10:54

Apparently he hasn't denied responsibility.

Sounds like the INLA , "what do you mean he is busy ?"

**Fragony** · 01-08-2009, 11:13

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Bloody hell ?????
It is not trying something new , it is trying the same old failed crap that it has tried for decades .

Well I am sad to see that Israel is doing the same old failed crap it has tried for decades, some stockholm-syndromed Israeli's apparantly are willing to talk again when they should be going into the motorsuit-business.

**Hooahguy** · 01-08-2009, 13:08

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Don't be silly Frag . Israel has not kept to the peace deal at all .

and neither has hamas. do you really expect israel to keep their part of the deal if hamas hasnt?

**Husar** · 01-08-2009, 15:10

Originally Posted by hooahguy

and neither has hamas. do you really expect israel to keep their part of the deal if hamas hasnt?

If they want more support from me than Hamas then yes. Give me a reason to support you more or I give equal amounts of money to both sides.

**Fragony** · 01-08-2009, 16:07

Originally Posted by Husar

If they want more support from me than Hamas then yes.

How does that logic work? All I am saying, is give war a chance. With Fatah in charge the situation will improve.

**Tribesman** · 01-08-2009, 18:26

and neither has hamas. do you really expect israel to keep their part of the deal if hamas hasnt?

Works both ways
Do you really expect hamas to keep to the deal if Israel hasn't ?
And since what was written was ....Israel keeps itself to the peace-treaty
What was your point ? oh you don't have one

Besides, calling it a deathcamp doesn't fit the facts.

Yep it doesn't fit the facts , the Vatican were more accurate calling Gaza a concentration camp , or that Israei proffesor calling it an open air prison .

you cannot deny that

One major difference is that Israel is a signatory to the conventions so they are supposed to abide by them .

**Hooahguy** · 01-08-2009, 18:29

so hamas can go and massacre hundreds of citizens if it wants to because they didnt sign?

**tibilicus** · 01-08-2009, 18:37

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7818577.stm

As that article explains Israel has the coordinates of UN run facilities which they have been bombing.

What exactly do UN facilities and aid have to do with Hamas?

hiding terrorists in the food bags? smuggling rockets in medical supply's?

What excuse can israel have for this? Is their aim really that bad? If it is they should really train their armed forces a bit better.