Virginity Pledges are NOT effective (yes I know the sky is blue)

[HoreTore]

How do you judge "level of maturaty"?

Common sense by the judges + psychiatrists. And anyway, how on earth can you punish 12-year olds for doing each other?

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

We punish them for stealing, littering, defacing public property, causing a nuissence... Any time they break the law they are punished. At 12 you wouldn't go to jail, charges might not even be brought, but a 15 year old and a 12 year old is a different story, and it doesn't change the fact that we have a law.

If you break the law you are punished, that is the only fair legal system. If you believe a law is wrong you have it changed, you can't just go around breaking laws you don't like.

[HoreTore]

Of course not. But why on earth is there a law against having sex with each other?

Oh well. It's not that long ago that there were laws deciding what hole to put your willie in too, so....

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

We have laws to protect the vulnerable, I seriously doubt many teens suffer lasting trauma not having sex.

[Mooks]

Of course not. But why on earth is there a law against having sex with each other?

Oh well. It's not that long ago that there were laws deciding what hole to put your willie in too, so....

Iv heard theres laws all over the U.S prohibiting sex between unmarried couples.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Utah, in Virginia you can only do it missionary with the lights off, in a bed, with the curtains drawn, after dark.

No that is truely unjust.

[Strike For The South]

If you would like to have sex then have sex. If you would not like to partake then don't.

[Papewaio]

It shouldn't be just maturity to deal with the action. But the maturity to deal with the logical consequences. How many 15 year olds lives will be fine if they have a child at that age?

[Strike For The South]

It shouldn't be just maturity to deal with the action. But the maturity to deal with the logical consequences. How many 15 year olds lives will be fine if they have a child at that age?

Not many, but how 15 year olds will care that the age of consent is 16 or 18 or 54? These kind of things fall under the families domain not the states.

[Watchman]

That's what sex ed, contrareception and - if need be - abortion is for...

[Strike For The South]

That's what sex ed, contrareception and - if need be - abortion is for...

I realize.

[HoreTore]

We have laws to protect the vulnerable, I seriously doubt many teens suffer lasting trauma not having sex.

I doubt they'll have any trauma from not getting coca-cola either. Does that mean we should limit kids to Pepsi?

You people are under the impression that sex is somehow something bad, and for it to be good, it will have to be performed under certain circumstances. Which truly is rubbish. Sex is good, healthy and safe. Why would you want our children to be unhealthy, Philipvs...?

[seireikhaan]

I doubt they'll have any trauma from not getting coca-cola either. Does that mean we should limit kids to Pepsi?

You people are under the impression that sex is somehow something bad, and for it to be good, it will have to be performed under certain circumstances. Which truly is rubbish. Sex is good, healthy and safe. Why would you want our children to be unhealthy, Philipvs...?

Well... "safe" is sort of debatable, depending on the individual's practices.

[HoreTore]

Well... "safe" is sort of debatable, depending on the individual's practices.

With proper precautions(ie. condoms), no, it's not debatable.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

yes it most certainly is, and it is not necessarily fun either. Particually for young women and girls, then there's the sometimes horrific emotional fallout. Scandanavians have a particually relaxed view of sex, this is not a universal view however. Some people, in Britain for example, take it very seriously and the breakup of sexual relationships can be extremely painful.

As regards Coca-Cola, I think it's fair to limit a child's cafine intake, that stuff can stunt your growth. Having said that, I'm not convinced we should legislate against it.

For you sex is apparently not a profound and deeply personal experience, ok fine, for some people it can be life changing, or life destroying. That is why we have an age of consent, to protect young people who are not aware of the posssible physical and emotional reprecutions.

[seireikhaan]

With proper precautions(ie. condoms), no, it's not debatable.

You apparently disregarded my part about "depending in the individual's practices".

[Papewaio]

Not many, but how 15 year olds will care that the age of consent is 16 or 18 or 54? These kind of things fall under the families domain not the states.

Only if the state does not have to pick up the tab for the children's child.

[Strike For The South]

Only if the state does not have to pick up the tab for the children's child.

I fear I have lost something in translation. Are you saying that these laws should only be enforced when 1. A child comes about and 2. Parents can't pay for said child?

[Lord Winter]

Only if the state does not have to pick up the tab for the children's child.

So if there over eighteen then its fine for welfare to pay?

[Papewaio]

No, what I'm saying is that the idea that it is okay if they are mature is rubbish. Maturity is not the only thing to consider when playing at making babies.

One should also have the financial ability to look after the consequences of pregnancy. And the state gets a larger say nowadays because of welfare issues.

[Strike For The South]

No, what I'm saying is that the idea that it is okay if they are mature is rubbish. Maturity is not the only thing to consider when playing at making babies.

One should also have the financial ability to look after the consequences of pregnancy. And the state gets a larger say nowadays because of welfare issues.

I see and agree.

[LittleGrizzly]

Maturity is not the only thing to consider when playing at making babies.

So it is only the potential for babies that is the problem with it ?

If kids were using other sexual methods would it be more acceptable ?

If not where do we draw the line, you can kiss but not tongues, you can use tongues but keep all your clothes on...

One should also have the financial ability to look after the consequences of pregnancy. And the state gets a larger say nowadays because of welfare issues.

So for example a 14 yr old paris hilton is fine to have a kid. But Bob the long term unemployed 40 yr old... shouldn't...

[Papewaio]

Kids are for life. I don't recommend having them as a kid because that means you have a parent who has never lived as an adult.

And no I don't think that Paris Hilton counts as mature for starters. That and I said the person had to have the ability to look after the consequences of the action be it 'gain of knowledge', emotional reaction or pregnancy. So a 14 year old Paris Hilton's family might be able to look after the child but this is just a case of the smallest form of government looking after the child .

So if the person can handle the consequences and not pass the buck to someone else then that is part way there to being a responsible parent.

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As for Bob the long term unemployed 40 year old, well Mrs Palmer and her daughters will be his for life. Men use their personality for contraception, women also add in the mans ATM receipt. So Bob will be fighting an uphill battle against men who can feather the nest.

Doesn't stop the strategy of letting someone else feather the nest and making them a cuckold... but in general he who makes the biggest nest can have his choice of birds. Also some partners are quite happy to bludge and it can be seen all over the world where welfare occurs that a tiny portion of the recipients see it as a lifestyle choice and we get multiple generations of bludgers. On the flip side some on welfare make better parents then the ultra rich... as per PHs parents.