Does this mean Rush Limbaugh hates America???

[Lemur]

Would you prefer it if they were still on the "Yay deficits, yay pork!" bandwagon with the Democrats?

I would prefer that they admit they have been part of the problem, and show some hint of shame or remorse. By my calculations, the Repubs have been bigger spenders than the Dems, and yet they claim to adhere to fiscal conservatism. And now that they're the minority, suddenly they're dead serious about deficits. It only took them eight days or so. It's laughable.

Do you believe the the Gov attempting to do anything to shorten the recession, X?

[Fisherking]

Oh come on Lemur! You are surprised that the party in office spends like there is no tomorrow while the opposition complains? And you think that Politicians should apologize?

Aren’t you the guy that is crying that two parties are needed?

Come on the only difference in the parties is which lie they choose to tell and which one is in office spending the country into a hole!

[Xiahou]

Do you believe the the Gov attempting to do anything to shorten the recession, X?

Yes. Do you believe that this "stimulus" bill is anything other than a Christmas tree for Congress to hang all their pet projects on, and ram it through using our economic crisis as cover?

Ask Gibbs- resodding the Mall would've been stimulus. Or ask Pelosi- handing out birth control is stimulus! If the government is handing out money- it's stimulus. Why do you hate the economy?

I would prefer that they admit they have been part of the problem, and show some hint of shame or remorse.

Now that would cause a death spiral. "Sorry America, we were wrong, it's all our fault. Vote for us now, k?"

[Lemur]

Yes. Do you believe that this "stimulus" bill is anything other than a Christmas tree for Congress to hang all their pet projects on, and ram it through using our economic crisis as cover?

I honestly don't know about that. It could very well be just as bad as the Patriot Act most of these same Republican jokers rammed through after 9/11. It's possible.

Or ask Pelosi- handing out birth control is stimulus!

What is it with Republicans and sexual panic? Here's a doctor talking about contraception.

To understand how this works, it is helpful to look at California's experience with a state-funded contraception and family planning initiative for women with incomes between 100% and 200% of the poverty level:

Four years after implementing the program, California saved an estimated $500 million in public health care spending, net of what they spent on the program itself. In fact, for every dollar invested in the program, the state of California saved an estimated $5.33, over a period of five years. These are conservative estimates that do not include money saved through increased productivity and cost savings from reductions in paid medical leave and sick days that result from unplanned pregnancies. Few other public spending plans can boast such a positive return on investment.

Or, as Drudge would say, Nancy Pelosi is handing out a trillion dollars' worth of STD-ridden condoms to illegal immigrants for gay sex while the earth enters a new ice age.

[Xiahou]

I honestly don't know about that. It could very well be just as bad as the Patriot Act most of these same Republican jokers rammed through after 9/11. It's possible.

Awww, is that a troll? How cute. I was never a fan of the PATRIOT ACT though. Keep trying, you'll find some better bait eventually.

Really though, the two are about as completely unrelated as two bills could be. We're talking about a wasteful spending bill that is approaching almost 1 trillion dollars and your only response is "but the patriot act!".

What is it with Republicans and sexual panic? Here's a doctor talking about contraception.

To understand how this works, it is helpful to look at California's experience with a state-funded contraception and family planning initiative for women with incomes between 100% and 200% of the poverty level:

Four years after implementing the program, California saved an estimated $500 million in public health care spending, net of what they spent on the program itself. In fact, for every dollar invested in the program, the state of California saved an estimated $5.33, over a period of five years. These are conservative estimates that do not include money saved through increased productivity and cost savings from reductions in paid medical leave and sick days that result from unplanned pregnancies. Few other public spending plans can boast such a positive return on investment.

Or, as Drudge would say, Nancy Pelosi is handing out a trillion dollars' worth of STD-ridden condoms to illegal immigrants for gay sex while the earth enters a new ice age.

I think "Nofuzzydreams" said it best:

Fine so have a debate in the house for appropriating money to the cause and since Democrats are the majority let them approve funding as part of the normal appropriations process. The point is that this is funding a worthy cause like many but does not belong in a emergency stimulus package. Turning this into an abortion debate is simply miguided.

The argument you put forth is that birth control is good policy because it saves the healthcare system money. Saving the healthcare system money is NOT stimulus. It does not belong in an emergency stimulus bull. It's a textbook example of Democrats slipping their wishlists into the bill and trying to label it all stimulus.

[Lemur]

We're talking about a wasteful spending bill that is approaching almost 1 trillion dollars and your only response is "but the patriot act!".

And here I thought I was being honest by saying, "I don't know."

Saving the healthcare system money is NOT stimulus. It does not belong in an emergency stimulus bull.

I see your point, although I think it's borderline silly to worry about small-change contraception funding in a bill of this size. But telling that Repubs would focus on it, all the same.

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Here's an interesting alternative proposal:

Instead of fighting Dems on the dollar amount of spending, knowing that we would lose that fight in any event, we could have stood with Obama and called for large high-tech infrastructure projects that would employ large numbers of minorities in construction and white collar suburbanites in development. These projects (high speed rail corridors as an example) would also capture the imagination of the green close-in suburbs that are turning viciously against the GOP and have the strategic benefit of jamming up the young Dem members (Webb/Warner/Hagan/McCaskill) who depended on these voters for their victories.

Then again, we could just listen to Rush and harken back to the 1980s when Ronald Reagan supposedly curbed spending.

[drone]

I think "Nofuzzydreams" said it best:The argument you put forth is that birth control is good policy because it saves the healthcare system money. Saving the healthcare system money is NOT stimulus. It does not belong in an emergency stimulus bull.

I'm sure some people are stimulated by good birth-control policy.

[Spino]

I would prefer that they admit they have been part of the problem, and show some hint of shame or remorse. By my calculations, the Repubs have been bigger spenders than the Dems, and yet they claim to adhere to fiscal conservatism. And now that they're the minority, suddenly they're dead serious about deficits. It only took them eight days or so. It's laughable.

Do you believe the the Gov attempting to do anything to shorten the recession, X?

You're honestly telling me you're looking for a sense of ethnical & moral closure... from politicians?!?

Give the Democrats time, they've done a bang up job of pissing away $$$ for the last two years. I'll wager they're going to match or beat the Republican fiscal transgressions that took place during the Bush administration... and do it in less time!