EB for ETW ideas

**a completely inoffensive name** · 02-04-2009, 01:08

I don't understand the hostility of an EB3 having the Americas. If you have the native american cultures why not just make the victory conditions taking over their respective regions or just the Americas. you don't have to have cross atlantic invasions for a victory.

**desert** · 02-04-2009, 01:14

Is it true that triremes fall apart unless you clean them on shore every couple of weeks?

If so, then how people ever get any sailing done?

**Lysimachos** · 02-04-2009, 08:42

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

I don't understand the hostility of an EB3 having the Americas. If you have the native american cultures why not just make the victory conditions taking over their respective regions or just the Americas. you don't have to have cross atlantic invasions for a victory.

Because, if the ocean is not meant to be crossed, it would be a waste to have both continents. One mod for europe and one mod for america would be much more efficient than one mod for both, in terms of still existing limits and gameplay.

**oudysseos** · 02-04-2009, 08:59

Speaking for myself, it's not hostility, but
a. too much work
and mostly
b. not enough known about the cultures of the americas in this time period.
American factions and units and so on for the 3rd century BCE would be guesswork, fantasy, and extreme interpolation of a spotty archaeological record.

Doesn't fit the EB ethos of historical accuracy.

**lenin96** · 02-04-2009, 09:18

I agree, I think expanding into India would be good, China would probaly be to far but expanding the map into India could be a good idea.

And about factions, everyone in the game could be a faction but would be just like Eleutheroi but would behave more realistic and would only have units that Eleutheroi would have normally had if they held the area. Good idea?

**lobf** · 02-05-2009, 03:17

Originally Posted by a completely inoffensive name

I don't understand the hostility of an EB3 having the Americas. If you have the native american cultures why not just make the victory conditions taking over their respective regions or just the Americas. you don't have to have cross atlantic invasions for a victory.

I think the Americans lacked the geographical and natural resources to form/sustain large empires. No horses, no oxen, none of the big crops from Asia. (all important factors in the eventual development of the Asian/European cultures) not to mention a longitudinal continent which discouraged the spread of people/crops/ideas. It might be kind of a crippled campaign.

**desert** · 02-05-2009, 03:53

Probably for the same reason you shouldn't be able to control Germania: what exactly are you ruling?
Unless, of course, you have the option of constructing cities in ETW *drools*.

**lobf** · 02-05-2009, 05:44

Originally Posted by desert

Probably for the same reason you shouldn't be able to control Germania: what exactly are you ruling?
Unless, of course, you have the option of constructing cities in ETW *drools*.

Interesting thought. But Germania at least had all of the ingredients for success at that time. The EB model of ruling one tribe makes enough sense, I suppose: One tribe may extend it's influence over larger and larger swaths of Germania.

**A Very Super Market** · 02-05-2009, 05:54

Have you forgotten the Aztecs and Incas? Granted, it was extremely feudal, but still an empire. The Iroquois aren't an empire, but we only use factions in Total War.

**lobf** · 02-05-2009, 06:00

Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

Have you forgotten the Aztecs and Incas? Granted, it was extremely feudal, but still an empire. The Iroquois aren't an empire, but we only use factions in Total War.

Yeah, but on their own they (probably) lacked the ability to advance like people from Eurasia. But we can never really know, I guess.

**Ibrahim** · 02-05-2009, 06:53

well, granted, technically (going by tools), the Aztecs were a stone age people, and the Inca a bronze age people (sort of). however, they had 10,000 years to work on flints and obsidians, and I can tell you: they are almost as good as metal weapons. also, their missile tech (atlatls, slings, and a few bows), were dangerous even to the conquistadores.

their only real problem is that obsidian and flint don't bend and aren't maleable, so if its broken, you have to make a new one (if an edge is chipped, you can chip a new blade back, but only for so long).

**desert** · 02-05-2009, 06:06

Check out those huge urban capitals they had, though.

"Some tribe" couldn't just go and conquer everyone, even if they won every battle, or the "empire" would disintegrate in a very short time. Or, they could do it the nomad way and massacre lots of people while moving their own into the newly conquered lands; but an empire really needs centralization. Otherwise it would be better represented by Eleutheroi.

The really sad part about all that, though, is that if North America were included in an EB3, I could easily see players using Native Americans to defeat retarded AI TABs.