Legion vs. Phalanx online tournament

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

I'd volunteer for the Romani!

[Ibrahim]

I'd volunteer for the Romani!

well then: PM Burebista (you have to)

[We shall fwee...Wodewick]

Aye Aye Captain!

[Βελισάριος]

Well, you don't have to PM me... I keep a close eye on this thread.
Anyway, yes I'm glad to have another Roman general.

So let's see, then... so far, we have in the Red corner, representing zee Romans:
Rootje
The guy with a Monty Python name, We shall fwee...Wodewick

And in the orange-black-yellow-silver-etc. corner, representing the Greeks:
Gabeed [as the Yellow Death]
IrishHitman [As the Bl... no, wait, that name's taken]
Maion Maroneios [as Makedonia, when he gets his laptop]

Phalanx300 ? Tolg? (you know, Makedonia have some nice cavarly if that's your cup of tea and so do the Romans)

Who else would be interested? I'd like at least 4 on each side.

[Olaf Blackeyes]

4 on each side?
Do the signers have enough hardware so that they dont lag out??

[Tolg]

You can count me in as a substitute in case you don't find enough participants, though my abilities as an infantry commander are probably below average, meaning the the other side would have an advantage.

I could play either with the Romans or with a Greek faction. (Of course I'd like to use Hellenic Cataphracts, but they might be a bit unfair. lol)


BTW, what is the jury supposed to do?

[Ibrahim]

You can count me in as a substitute in case you don't find enough participants, though my abilities as an infantry commander are probably below average, meaning the the other side would have an advantage.

I could play either with the Romans or with a Greek faction. (Of course I'd like to use Hellenic Cataphracts, but they might be a bit unfair. lol)


BTW, what is the jury supposed to do?

we judge as "impartial" observers I guess.

[Tolg]

Yes, but what do you judge? If someone has broken the rules of the tournament or not?

[Tolg]

Romans:
-Rootje
-We shall fwee...Wodewick
-Macilrille (Rome, if he gets EB 1.2 to work)

Greeks:
-Gabeed (Ptolemaioi)
-IrishHitman (Macedonia - Unless I got the pun wrong)
-Phalanx300 (KH > Macedonia/Epeiros > Rome)
-Hasdrubal Barca (Seleuceia or Macedonia)
-Potocello (KH > any other Greeks > Rome)
-Turnus (as a "phalanx faction")


-Maion Maroneios (Macedonia) is probably out as he is now a member of the jury.


Edit: Is there anybody here who could make us some sigs? Propaganda. ^^

[Macilrille]

RL Issues will preclude me doing anything more than the occasional historical research, sorry. That is as big a problem as 1.2 not working...

[ziegenpeter]

Hi, I got 2 questions to ask:
Why no Baktria (beecause they never fought romans?)
and why no charging through the own lines?
thx

[Phalanx300]

Chargings through own lines with your cavalry isn't really Historical.

And its a shame that Baktria is not included .


Also on Epeiros, it says they should fight Polybian, that should be Camillian. And why is Epeiros also limited to 6 Phalangite units? Epeiros also used a large force of non Phalanx infantry, just look at the Historical battle of Ausculum, 4 Phalangite units there of which 1 was a mercenary unit. For Epeiros either a minimum of 3 or 4 Phalangite units would be better I think.

[Phalanx300]

Yes, the Romans should be able to have allies. Maybe the Koinen should also be able to have styled armies? In which I mean a Syracusian army, Massilian army or a Bosporan army? A Spartan and Rhodian army can be represented yet the units from above armier are not on the KH faction site.

Also 2 things on the updated rules.

1) A mistake, after saying which are elite units it says Spartiatai/Ekdromoi, it should be: Spartiatai/Epileptikoi.

2) It says 1 hastati, it should be: 2 Hastati, 2 Principes, 1 Triarii. It should also be 2 Roman missle units(in which I mean velites, leves, rorarii, accensi) Also 1 Equites and 1 Roman bodyguard(or 2 optionally to represent the Tribune). The rest should be allied units in my view.

[antisocialmunky]

Hmm, I rather like that idea. Its rather complex though :) Be rather neat to face off against other powerful polis.

2) IT SHOULD be 2 Hastati and about half your army as allied troops, but I guess the jury doesn't care about historic realism for Romans. I still like having the foot general. On a related note, I guess he's not allowing general's bodyguard units or jsut forgot.

[Βελισάριος]

Yes, the Romans should be able to have allies. Maybe the Koinen should also be able to have styled armies? In which I mean a Syracusian army, Massilian army or a Bosporan army? A Spartan and Rhodian army can be represented yet the units from above armier are not on the KH faction site.

Good suggestion... very good, actually. We can implement that in the next tournament.

Also 2 things on the updated rules.

1) A mistake, after saying which are elite units it says Spartiatai/Ekdromoi, it should be: Spartiatai/Epileptikoi.

You're right on that one... I was stoned when I wrote the rules last night.

2) It says 1 hastati, it should be: 2 Hastati, 2 Principes, 1 Triarii. It should also be 2 Roman missle units(in which I mean velites, leves, rorarii, accensi) Also 1 Equites and 1 Roman bodyguard(or 2 optionally to represent the Tribune). The rest should be allied units in my view.

2 Hastati, 2 Principes, 1 Triarii and 2 Roman missile units... that's what I wanted to write.
Again... stoned.

Thanksverymuch.

And munky, the Prima Cohors will fall under regular Cohors Reformatae (or whatever the plural is like) and you can have only one per army (I should add that as well).

And what do you mean I'm not allowing General's bodyguard units?
BG's don't count as elites, that's all it says there. Also, we're not forcing you to use them as some people don't feel like spending their money on 20-men units (myself included, unless I get really stingy), so, in that sense, you get an extra cavalry unit if you want. It says in the rules.

Also, it is, was and will be our main concern to aim for the highest degree of historical accuracy in this thread.
But you also have to keep in mind, the point of the whole thing was to pit Legion vs. Phalanx.
If Roman armies are half-allied then that purpose is defeated entirely.

For the next tournament there'll be a much wider range of units to be selected, but that takes time, patience and careful selection.
If you would care to offer your suggestions on the topic, I'd be more than happy to take them into consideration and would be much obliged.

In the meantime, remarks such as "the jury doesn't really care for historic realism" is unnecessary and rather ridiculous coming from someone who fields the type of armies that you do, ASM. If you want historical realism, play historically accurate.

Look at my battle with Maion, except for the 4 Triarii (momentary slip, sorry), my army fit the requisites of the rules just nicely.
Yeah, I lost... but that was a tactical error, not because of a chink in the army's armour... or, rather, its formation.

Once more, I'm open to your suggestions and I thank you for the help so far.
I'll go make the necessary edits.