Surprisingly Good and Bad Units 1.2 Edition

[soup_alex]

Perhaps you're often getting them stuck in with units that have a "hidden" AP weapon.


(Ba'al protect me, Numidian archers have an AP club with a lethality of 0.14?! What are they even doing carrying bows, they should be clad in armour and put on the front line!!)

[seienchin]

Perhaps you're often getting them stuck in with units that have a "hidden" AP weapon.


(Ba'al protect me, Numidian archers have an AP club with a lethality of 0.14?! What are they even doing carrying bows, they should be clad in armour and put on the front line!!)

No...
And AP only gives a Bonus against armor and does not completly ignore it. Podromoi jus suck...
But theyre fast. They are just like any other light atacking cavallery just more expensive, that is why they suck, but nt as hard as the indo iranian light cavallery, which costs even more.

[athanaric]

No...
And AP only gives a Bonus against armor and does not completly ignore it. Podromoi jus suck...
But theyre fast. They are just like any other light atacking cavallery just more expensive, that is why they suck, but nt as hard as the indo iranian light cavallery, which costs even more.

Prodromoi are actually excellent vs. other light cavalry and for chasing any kind of unit. Of course, they suck in melee vs. decent infantry or heavy cavalry, but that is not where they are supposed to be. Kamboja Asvaka Ksatriya have an advantage over Prodromoi insofar as they, unlike the latter, have shields and AP secondary weapons. Both have a good charge and are decent flankers. They are meant to counter HAs and skirmishers and to charge the flanks of enemy forces. AFAIK the same applies to the Poeni Citizen Cavalry.

[seienchin]

Prodromoi are actually excellent vs. other light cavalry and for chasing any kind of unit. Of course, they suck in melee vs. decent infantry or heavy cavalry, but that is not where they are supposed to be. Kamboja Asvaka Ksatriya have an advantage over Prodromoi insofar as they, unlike the latter, have shields and AP secondary weapons. Both have a good charge and are decent flankers. They are meant to counter HAs and skirmishers and to charge the flanks of enemy forces. AFAIK the same applies to the Poeni Citizen Cavalry.

Yes, but unlike the citizen cavallery they are just too expansive and you lose way to many men by charging with podromoi ot the Iranian ones. Thats why there Charge also sucks
But yes of course I always have some Cavallery of this kind in my Army to charge enemies archers, but their casualty are always too high against simple archers...

[soup_alex]

Yes, but unlike the citizen cavallery they are just too expansive and you lose way to many men by charging with podromoi ot the Iranian ones. Thats why there Charge also sucks
But yes of course I always have some Cavallery of this kind in my Army to charge enemies archers, but their casualty are always too high against simple archers...

Prodromoi are hardly much more expensive than Citizen Cavalry (2334/584 to 2200/550), and for that you get (according to the unit list) an extra two points of armour, better charge bonuses with xyston and sword, better stamina and an AoR covering much of Greece, Asia Minor, North Arabia, the Nile Delta and Bactria. Citizen Cavalry can be recruited in three provinces, all at the centre of the empire.

I suppose it's less surprising that Carthaginian cavalry is crap (although from a historical perspective, I'm not sure about that), but Prodromoi are still far superior (and I'm sure the Hellenes have access to other units to fill their role, anyway).

[bobbin]

Prodromoi are excellent charger cavalry IMO just never let them get involved in a melee, the thrakian version is even better and has a rather nice sabre too.
I tend to use them in conjunction with loncophoroi and they compliment each other perfectly.

[Faramir D'Andunie]

Illyrian Cavalry is a suprisingly good unit, I expected them to be half useless and was positively suprised by their performance. Also any kind of skirmisher with an AP weapon.

For suprisingly bad, Thorakitai Hoplitai. I just can't find a decent use for those.

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Hypaspistai are expensive and not very useful, they don't die much, but they don't kill as much as I thought they would.

Mauri infantry are suprising, they kill very efficiently.