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    Quote Originally Posted by Belisario View Post
    Why not Normandy/Wessex? It make sense for early period: Anglo-Norman realm.
    Yes I've considered that one as well. It also means that the French don't just storm into Britain taking out the English faction's best province and capital in the process. It might be the best approach.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belisario View Post
    Ok, the sites where Almoravids/Almohads/Marinids disembarked their troops are located in MTW Cordoba region: Algeciras, Tarifa. Although it is also true these cities were in hands of the Nasrids of Granada -and occasionally of the Marinids- during the late middle ages until its capture by the Castilians. But this is only a historical note, I agree about the removal of the Granada/Fes landbridge.
    From a gameplay perspective it's better to have Granada more isolated in order that could operate as a base for a possible single province faction in the late era. Also it breaks the linearity of Cordoba/Murcia -> Granada -> Fes.

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    I personally vote to connect Ireland with both regions.
    I also think this would be the best approach. Otherwise it would be necessary to take Scotland in order to invade Ireland, which would be rather silly.

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    Landbridge with both regions, Genoese and Pisans disputed the control of these islands during long time.
    I need to look further into this. Though I would favour either making one province of them or removing them altogether. The landbridge triangle between Genoa, Tuscany and Corsica/Sardinia seems like a good idea from a gameplay perspective. Having Sardinia as separate province though would be a blind alley with no advantages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belisario View Post
    Alternatively, Crete could be connected with Morea.
    This would give us another province of little value, out on a limb.

    Quote Originally Posted by Belisario View Post
    I think new provinces could be added in Poland (Lesser Poland, Great Poland), Lithuania (Samogitia, Lithuania proper) or Hungary (Upper Hungary, Transdanubia). But gameplay is the main factor to decide where more provinces are needed.
    I've looked at the Poland/Lithuania/Volhynia region in the past and it's a very difficult area to work with. If someone can provide an historical map showing how this should be divided up I will seriously consider at least splitting poland, though I don't mind resizing and moving neighbouring provinces also to get it looking it's best and of course connecting properly. I've not looked into Hungary much, though this is also a possibility if some maps can be shown as to how it should look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Asai Nagamasa View Post
    I've looked at the Poland/Lithuania/Volhynia region in the past and it's a very difficult area to work with. If someone can provide an historical map showing how this should be divided up I will seriously consider at least splitting poland, though I don't mind resizing and moving neighbouring provinces also to get it looking it's best and of course connecting properly. I've not looked into Hungary much, though this is also a possibility if some maps can be shown as to how it should look.
    The best maps I ever saw are the maps from the Euratlas of Christos Nussli, and I think you know them. However if you compare the size and neighbours of a region from the MTW map with the same region in the Euratlas map, you can observe notable differences in some cases. So a certain degree of abstraction is needed to avoid getting frustrating while you draw the new borders in these regions.

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    Well Euratlas is very good, though for the most parts it shows territory rather than individual provinces within a region.

    -Edit: Four unused provinces remain.

    With the removal of Crete and the merger of Sardninia and Corsica that will give us six provinces for areas such as Poland (Mazovia, Lesser Poland and Greater Poland) and any other provinces that are needed.

    What about in the alpine regions or in Italy itself?
    Last edited by caravel; 02-12-2009 at 23:40.
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    Italy? Rename Milan Lombardia.

    And split the Papal States in two, plus give the top of Naples to it. So you have Tuscany (Toscana-Modena-Pisa) opposite the Papal States (Ferrara). And Roma opposite Ancona-Spoleto.

    A more gameplay option would be to split Genoa, Milan and Venice into four provinces. Maybe Genoa to the West, Lombardia to the North-East of Genoa, Venice to the East and Verona to the North-West of Venice.
    Last edited by naut; 02-18-2009 at 14:54.
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    Hmmm... I'll look into that thanks. Do you know of any maps that would show me visually what you're referring to?

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    Don't know if this helps...

    http://www.roangelo.net/valente/conquest.html
    Last edited by western; 02-19-2009 at 02:04.

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    It does western

    So that northern part of Naples would become Spoleto with Assisi as it's castle? That would in fact add a worthwile extra province in a decent loction. I'll look into it, thanks.

    I also like the idea of moving around/renaming some of the alpine provinces. Any more detailed maps showing that region?

    Thanks.

    Last edited by caravel; 02-20-2009 at 14:29.
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