The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

**TinCow** · 02-13-2009, 16:48

Is it just me, or is Reenk Roink being unusually defensive about the pressure being put on him? I've only been in a couple games with him now, but in both of those he retained a relatively care-free and jovial attitude even when he was under the gun. This is the first time I've seen him launch into serious evidentiary counter-arguments to the accusations being placed against him. I would be grateful if some of those who know his play style better could comment on whether this is out of the ordinary.

**Andres** · 02-13-2009, 16:52

Originally Posted by 'khaan

Ah, but I know for a fact that someone else already has figured it out. However, they seem hesitant to reveal this fact.

'khaan, please, just say what you have to say.

Yes, we don't have enough brain cells to see the mysterious wisdoms in your cryptic words.

Get over it and just say what you have to say in humanish

**seireikhaan** · 02-13-2009, 17:22

Originally Posted by Andres

'khaan, please, just say what you have to say.

Yes, we don't have enough brain cells to see the mysterious wisdoms in your cryptic words.

Get over it and just say what you have to say in humanish

Let me put this hypothetically, Andres(and I'm not meaning this in accusatory tone): What would it take for you to order my death on the second night if you were a mafioso?

**shlin28** · 02-13-2009, 17:31

Because you are a detective and got a guilty result? and then told the MAFIA about it???

Edit: Or maybe the twist in this game is mafia recruitment.... you refused to join their side?

Apart from that, I got nothing for now.

**White_eyes:D** · 02-13-2009, 17:31

Originally Posted by TinCow

Is it just me, or is Reenk Roink being unusually defensive about the pressure being put on him? I've only been in a couple games with him now, but in both of those he retained a relatively care-free and jovial attitude even when he was under the gun. This is the first time I've seen him launch into serious evidentiary counter-arguments to the accusations being placed against him. I would be grateful if some of those who know his play style better could comment on whether this is out of the ordinary.

If you recall.....when I pressured him too much on "Chicago soiree"...that ended up leading to your lynch

Reenk is a little defensive.....but have Skynet 2.0 try and say..."your 100% scum" and try NOT defending yourself....I would....hell, even Tevash did

**Reenk Roink** · 02-13-2009, 17:41

Originally Posted by TinCow

Is it just me, or is Reenk Roink being unusually defensive about the pressure being put on him? I've only been in a couple games with him now, but in both of those he retained a relatively care-free and jovial attitude even when he was under the gun. This is the first time I've seen him launch into serious evidentiary counter-arguments to the accusations being placed against him. I would be grateful if some of those who know his play style better could comment on whether this is out of the ordinary.

Yeah I am, so?

Are you going to note this behavior change and then formulate a case that I am Mafia because of it...

The accusations by Atpg are so bad and inconsistent (note how he didn't bother to reply to them though he loves to parse every post he can) that it is kinda fun to respond.

Again, you did say before that Atpg's case was well argued. well analyzed, and consistent, and those claims have been, well, savaged, so that is why I will get defensive against your posts. Not to mention that weird statement about innocence and not misleading

Anyway...

Atpg, you posted, but nothing of value. This is the only thing that new that I need to respond to (everything else is up there):

If you truly believe this, then never analyze anyone again. There is a huge streak of hypocrisy and illogic in that statement.

First there is nothing "illogic" about that statement at all. Again, please don't make accusations without actually supporting them (a pretty common occurrence in your recent posts).

Logic really has very little to do with this game. Many poor arguments are constructed on syntactical valid forms and many good arguments are invalid. The reasoning in these games is largely irrelevant anyway, the premises are the key.

As for hypocrisy, hey, I love to do it, you got a problem with it?

But yes, there are huge problems with trying to analyze behavior and find Mafia. And even if you try to get away from an epistemic defense of this method (because that would be nearly impossible), it has very little pragmatic merit anyway. I've seen your Skynet (built on people following behavior types that are Mafia cliches: "changing behavior" and "lurking" and "3rd on bandwagon") fail miserably before, and it's failing horribly now.

Also, in many cases it is not hypocrisy. Sometimes I put on some facade of analysis so I can just vote for someone - annoying, but you have to please the mob to lay low and avoid their wrath.

Anyway Atpg, I win you lose, you're all but lynched, and I'm still alive!

**Chaotix** · 02-13-2009, 18:51

Reenk: Just what exactly is so great about you staying alive, anyway?

You act as if ATPG is personally out to get you here, when really he's just following through with what SkyNet tells him. And then, it's not just ATPG either. Your last couple of posts have been absolutely full of scummy-sounding sentences that anyone would call you out on.

You also act as if your death will cause the loss of the game. The only thing you lose by being dead, if you do not have a role, is your vote. There is nothing saying you cannot post your wild sense of humor, or your suspicions against others (of which you have done remarkably little this game except against TinCow the very nearly proven innocent). You can even defend Beefy, still, if you truly believe he must be defended at this point in the game. Why, then, do you suggest it is so important to you that you remain alive?

I will not remove my vote from you. I see nothing significantly incriminating in either Tevash or ATPG, and I will remain uninvolved in deciding a lynch between them.

Seireikhaan: What is so important to winning this game that you have to spoon-feed it to us in riddles rather than just telling us already? Who do you think the mafia is and why?

**Reenk Roink** · 02-13-2009, 19:00

Originally Posted by Chaotix27

Reenk: Just what exactly is so great about you staying alive, anyway?

You act as if ATPG is personally out to get you here, when really he's just following through with what SkyNet tells him. And then, it's not just ATPG either. Your last couple of posts have been absolutely full of scummy-sounding sentences that anyone would call you out on.

You also act as if your death will cause the loss of the game. The only thing you lose by being dead, if you do not have a role, is your vote. There is nothing saying you cannot post your wild sense of humor, or your suspicions against others (of which you have done remarkably little this game except against TinCow the very nearly proven innocent). You can even defend Beefy, still, if you truly believe he must be defended at this point in the game. Why, then, do you suggest it is so important to you that you remain alive?

I will not remove my vote from you. I see nothing significantly incriminating in either Tevash or ATPG, and I will remain uninvolved in deciding a lynch between them.

I don't think it's important for me to stay alive. Again Chaotix with the false attributions.

You may vote for me all you want. You have no case to do so however.

I really think that people who are criticizing me are probably Mafia using me as a scapegoat. We can indulge them for awhile though, we have the upper hand.

I find it funny how despite all of the energy Atpg has focused against me, his case has failed to persuade most, except you and TinCow and drawn suspicion on himself. I like Atpg, I encourage him to have fun in these games and do his thing, but I should also have my fun and criticize his system also, no?

And if you don't think it's not out to get me I advise you to re read his case, it is filled it caustic comments (unlike say Kommodus with a similar system who gave a fairly "objective" if you can call it that summary of my posting changes,) very unobjective - for Godsake SkyNet is HIS SYSTEM with HIS OPINIONS - of course he's doing what it tells him to do).

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 02-13-2009, 19:48

ATPG, despite massive posting this round, did not respond to my lengthy attack on him and YLC, and did not respond to tevash's defense of himself.

Most of the people voting tevash have not given a detailed explanation and show no evidence of having read the accusation and defense in depth.

Apparently several people didn't read my post, because they keep mentioning that ATPG put the 4th vote on Lord Winter. Go read it, and look at the quotes from atpg where after failing to get votes on curio he waffles around considering going for sigurd. Lord winter was toast at the point ATPG put the vote on, he was already tied so it would have going to a run off, and I don't let up on suspects easy.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 02-13-2009, 20:00

Voting closed.

**GeneralHankerchief** · 02-13-2009, 20:25

Tie vote between Askthepizzaguy and Tevash. We're having a re-vote.

I'm probably not going to be around for the voting deadline tomorrow. As such, the re-vote could either be around 22 hours or it could be around 26. I won't be sure until tomorrow, so get those votes in sooner rather than later!

Day 5 tally:

Askthepizzaguy: 5 (TevashSzat, Sasaki Kojiro, Andres, Reenk Roink, Seamus Fermanagh)
TevashSzat: 5 (Quintus.JC, YLC, Beefy187, Askthepizzaguy, Psychonaut)
YLC: 1 (777Ares777)
Quintus.JC: 1 (Gaius Scribonius Curio)
Reenk Roink: 1 (Chaotix27)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (LittleGrizzly)

Abstained: 3 (shlin28, White_eyes:D, glyphz)
Didn't vote: 2 (taka, Ignoramus)

**TinCow** · 02-13-2009, 18:52

Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Anyway Atpg, I win you lose, you're all but lynched, and I'm still alive!

Exactly the point. Most people ignored ATPG's advice right off the bat and voted to lynch him. Despite his WALL OF TEXT, he hasn't accomplished much, and the accusations have never really stuck on you. I don't see why you keep acting so defensive when not only have you won the contest, you won it a long, long time ago.