The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

[Reenk Roink]

I will fight tooth and nail to keep shlin where he is (for the moment).

I'll give more of my thoughts after the kills but unless some good lead comes, I will be going after Chaotix and Gaius as they are threats to me and must be killed. Hopefully the Mafia makes it easier for me and takes out one or both (Lord knows you haven't done a good job helping yourselves so you might as well help me and the town ).

Also, I do have a feeling about Chaotix for awhile now so even if he wasn't going after me he would be my target after Seamus.

To make an actual case: look at how he has slowly been trying to put suspicion on me throughout the game. I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you. After all, Reenk is always a good lynch right?

[Askthepizzaguy]

I don't think destroying all your enemies is a legitimate townie strategy, Reenkster. In spite of a difference in philosophy, it's just going to bring heat on you, and what if we lynched you instead of someone else, if you're innocent, that means we wouldn't be lynching the Godfather.

What you're saying Reenks of paranoia and untownie behavior. I also note that you're here at night; sending in your murders, are we?




I can't be sure you're a better candidate than Shlin, but you're actively changing my mind.


EDIT: 20 minutes later- Cat got your tongue, Reenk? Town, I say let's get rid of ye olde shlin this round, and make absolutely certain Reenk is dead before the end of the game. I just can't fathom this.

My case against you before was admittedly very weak Reenk. But I am at a loss to explain this from you now. I wouldn't let that pass if I had a say in it.

[LittleGrizzly]

Don't we have to kill shlin28 before a new CoP can be installed ?

Im nervous about Reenk, im not sure if its just his playing style or what but he does send slightly scummy signals off...

i especially don't like...
I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you.

It sounds like he's setting himself up to be left at the end and then have this case to fall back on as an excuse to lynch the other players instead of him... of course the whole kill of my enemy's doesn't exactly inspire confidence either...

Shlin is another one i am unsure about, sure he's been having fun with his CoP role, but it feels like that could be his cover...

TBH out the remaining players they are the ones i getting the gut instinct feeling on, its known to be wrong occasionally though... so im willing to give logic a go as well...

[Askthepizzaguy]

@LG-shlin28 is legitimately a suspect for the following reasons:

1. He's the CoP, who gets investigated almost automatically. He supported TevashSzat, and said both me and YLC were scum. He hasn't been good at giving us suspects. He defends people he doesn't know are innocent. He's even argued with me on my profile page, I basically ordered him to surrender and he said "Never!" and when I questioned him for not staying and chatting, he said he had the "right to remain silent". He's skipped out on questioning. he's highly defensive. TevashSzat voted for him for CoP, and he seems VERY scummy now that he's skipped out. He never once offered to be lynched if he failed in his task, something I WOULD GUARANTEE to do by the mid-game if I were ever made the CoP. He's done nothing to help us and he's been nervous under pressure.

Reenk is legitimately a suspect after that for the following reasons:

2. His post above.
That's about it.


On balance, shlin28 is acting like a nervous Godfather scumbag. He also hasn't posted here all night, and this is his usual time to show up. (Bad piece of evidence, but I'll toss it on a pile of good evidence)




Lynch shlin28 and install one of my candidates as the next CoP... or choose your own. JUST BE SURE that they aren't Godfather-y in any possible way, shape, or form.


Oh, and go ahead and read Shlin28's defense of himself.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1203

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Wow...

(Note: The response has not been proofread... read on at your peril! )

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

It seems that I am being very very very suspicious right now for these reasons:

1. Unsually number of post counts - normally an indicator of me having a role.
2. Vigorous defence of Tevash and the eventual "DEATH TO TEVASH!" moment.
3. "Attempting" to "convince" the town that we are down to one Godfather.
4. Lack of serious contribution apart from the aforementioned Point 2.

My answers to all four of them:

1. I like being the CoP, which gives me a sense of higher purpose than a bogstandard townie. In games where I just have a townie PM and nothing else I tend to get bored and relapse into my non-serious mode. In here, I try to be more active. In any case, most of the post is made because of Point 2 (see below)

2. I defended Tevash mainly because A: I dislike the town being led by one person and the majority follows the said townie (unless they have a game role that allows them to do so) and B: I thought ATPG's deduction was flawed.

In practically all of the games featuring both me and ATPG I have stood against his system of reasoning (See "The Lunar Whale", "Teddy Snatcher", "Whispers in the Night" etc), mainly because I was accused by it, a lot. And in all of these cases I was innocent despite his system branding me guilty, so this gives me cause to believe that ATPG' system is not always right. Furthermore, in "Whispers of the Night" I was accused of being mafia, when I was the detective - this led to doubts regarding whether SkyNet can detect whether one is a pro-town role or mafia. So when Tevash was accused of showing signs of scumminess, I took a leap of logic and thought that Tevash could be a detective, hence my defence of Tevash. Anyway, why couldn't I defend Tevash? Note that Sasaki and RR did too... is there anything preventing one townie to help defending another townie because the first townie believes that the second townie is not exhibiting the classic signs of mafianess?

My complete "aboutturn" on the Tevash issue can explained quite easily - He was active during the discussion on his lynch, yet did not respond in anyway. In any case, as NOBODY ELSE has mentioned BTW, at that point it occured to me that Ignoramus* had quite a big chance of being the detective (see the post where I quoted his posts). More troubling however, is that people seem to think just because I supported Tevash for one and a half phases I must support him all the way to the end?

* Now I am thinking more along the line that Ignoramus is the unicycle killer - if he was the detective he would have counter revealed. On the night he decided to kill, the mafia also conveniently concluded that Igno MUST be the detective due to his lurkiness.

3. I did not try to "convince" others of it, I was just stating my personal opinions, which are not infallible - never did I say "The write-up says this, it must be truez!", whenever I stated something from the write-uo (exluding posts from yesterday), I always included a tiny snippet explaining my doubts. Yesterday's post was an exception, mainly because I had reverted to my non-serious mode after a high activity phase, and became vague and annoying.

Also, Tincow I believe had misinterepreted the meaning of Post 1116 (I think) where I "accused" Sasaki of being mafia. This is not the case. Certainly, the write-up SUGGESTED that Sasaki was a member of the mafia group, but I was never sure. Post 1116 was a reply to this post https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...postcount=1114. Here Sasaki produced a detective role PM - in my non-serious mood at the time, I said Sasaki must be guilty, due to his preparations and "backup" role PMs. However, because there was a post between Sasaki's post and mine, the meanings of my post became... er... confused.

4. If there is something really concerning me/really interesting, I tend make short posts and be in my jokey mode. But if there is really something important, I will make contributions. Can't really change that...

So if you are going to lynch me, lynch me on the basis of Point 4. But I assure you, if I am lynched, not only will you lose a most talented lynch-management-guy, the game will also continue, because I am not mafia, not a henchman, and certainly not a Godfather...just a normal townie.

Thank you for your time for reading my insane rant.

It speaks for itself.

Tell me he's not nervous about death, something a townie, especially one whose run as CoP has been WELL off the mark the entire time, would never be.

[Andres]

To make an actual case: look at how he has slowly been trying to put suspicion on me throughout the game. I think he plans to use me as a scapegoat at the end of game stage as the end game is the hardest and you want suspicious people around you. After all, Reenk is always a good lynch right?

Well, how about you quote the posts where he threw suspicion at you and then explain why it's nonsense?

[Andres]

Well, how about you quote the posts where he (Chaotix27) threw suspicion at you and then explain why it's nonsense?

Reenk Roink, would you be so kind to answer my question?

[Reenk Roink]

Well, how about you quote the posts where he threw suspicion at you and then explain why it's nonsense?

Andres is officially on my suspicion list now (and it's not retaliatory because everyone is gunning for me this round, I picked Andres specifically dor a reason).

Here you are though Andres (please do be patient guys, points at Atpg and Andres, I can't spend all my time on the game):

Sorry, Reenk, but this is possibly the worst reasoning I've ever seen you give for a serious vote. First: If you don't think ATPG is mafia, then who do you suspect? Surely you must have some opinion about who may be guilty, or who's acting scummy? You're a smart one, Reenk. You will have noticed if someone's acting differently. And if by chance you haven't, whatever happened to "Reenk Roink abstains courteously" when there is no clear suspect?

And yet, you choose not to voice any opinion, and instead vote for somebody who you don't believe is guilty, but just want to stop from helping the town by questioning and examining. Tell me, are we supposed to just stop examining you and look for other suspects, because you said you didn't like people opposing you? Do you think ATPG will stop using SkyNet on you just because he's been lynched?

And then there's the reasoning that TinCow must be scum, even though he was killed when both mafia were still alive, just because he decided to agree with the logical parts of ATPG's post.

Vote: Reenk Roink

I'm getting the same vibe from you that I had in The Prometheus, now. Give it a couple rounds, we'll have a detective reveal from you.

I responded and refuted his claims in a post by the way, look it up if you care (I think you don't care and I'm just a scapegoat for you fyi).

TinCow was indeed not cleared at all like was previously posted by him, and we all know the story by Atpg and his "logic"...

By the way, where's the detective reveal Chaotix?

As for the second post, Chaotix mistook a good Pearl Jam video for me wanting to stay alive (when I was just teasing Atpg that I was alive despite all his efforts). Of course Atpg is up to the usual SkyNet type analysis we expect from him again now, and he rehashes a long refuted argument.

Vote: Andres - Chaotix can wait.

PS:

But what do I know?

In reference to this game, not much.

[TinCow]

TinCow was indeed not cleared at all like was previously posted by him

You're still on this? I was killed by mafia. I thus can't be mafia. The naked unicyclist killed after I died, thus I can't be the naked unicyclist. Are you now saying that GH put in more than one 'twist' into the game?

[Reenk Roink]

You're still on this? I was killed by mafia. I thus can't be mafia. The naked unicyclist killed after I died, thus I can't be the naked unicyclist. Are you now saying that GH put in more than one 'twist' into the game?

Ok so let's see what has happened. Andres asked me to quote a post where Chaotix was suspicious of me "spouting nonsense." I did, and the context happened to be around the same time when I took exception to your twin claims that you were proven innocent and that a dead innocent would never mislead town. I added it as another piece of nonsense that CHAOTIX spouted. And of course something like this happens...

Why is this such an important issue to a dead townie as you claim to be?

And you betya you're not cleared in my eyes.

[Andres]

I find it interesting that Andres has not been under a lot of fire in this game... I wonder why... Normally he gets accused a lot. Yet here...? Not so much

*crawls back into the lynching pit, ready to be lynched*

Edit: The songs are probably not aimed to incriminate people, I think they are meant to comment on the dead person's personality. I think.

Ah, so I'm suspicious because, eh, well, because nobody has accused me thus far? Because I've not been considered suspicous thus far?

So your case against me is that I must be scum because nobody said I was until now?

Andres is officially on my suspicion list now (and it's not retaliatory because everyone is gunning for me this round, I picked Andres specifically dor a reason).

I wonder what reason that could be. Maybe it's in the next part of your post?

Here you are though Andres (please do be patient guys, points at Atpg and Andres, I can't spend all my time on the game):



I responded and refuted his claims in a post by the way, look it up if you care (I think you don't care and I'm just a scapegoat for you fyi).

Hm. Now, why would you be my scapegoat. I guess it will all become clear further on...

TinCow was indeed not cleared at all like was previously posted by him, and we all know the story by Atpg and his "logic"...

Hmmm... TinCow got killed by the mafia and is confirmed innocent and ATPG's scuminess is no longer relevant, he got lynched.

Nothing about me in that paragraph though

By the way, where's the detective reveal Chaotix?

As for the second post, Chaotix mistook a good Pearl Jam video for me wanting to stay alive (when I was just teasing Atpg that I was alive despite all his efforts). Of course Atpg is up to the usual SkyNet type analysis we expect from him again now, and he rehashes a long refuted argument.

Now it's about Chaotix27 who is still waiting on Tevashszats' reveal? And then about ATPG. Why wasting breathe on ATPG's supposed guilt or innocence? He got disposed of, we lynched him.

Vote: Andres - Chaotix can wait.

Eh? Could you repeat that mysterious reason for voting me again? Ah, but there's still some bit of text left.

PS:



In reference to this game, not much.

A remark on a statement by ATPG. He's lynched and dealt with, get over it.

Still no specific reason for voting me though.

Oh well, I'm a patient man.

Vote : shlin28

As per previous round. Subject to change though. Reenk Roink likes role playing and the somewhat aggressive tone makes me think that he seems to be roleplaying a mafioso now, instead of the crazy townie act he usually does.

[Andres]

Ok so let's see what has happened. Andres asked me to quote a post where Chaotix was suspicious of me "spouting nonsense." I did, and the context happened to be around the same time when I took exception to your twin claims that you were proven innocent and that a dead innocent would never mislead town. I added it as another piece of nonsense that CHAOTIX spouted. And of course something like this happens...

Why is this such an important issue to a dead townie as you claim to be?

And you betya you're not cleared in my eyes.

TinCow is a confirmed innocent. You're the one spouting nonsense.

Now, about that "I picked Andres for a specific reason" part of your previous post...

[White_eyes:D]

I am more worried about the lurkers......where are you guys anyway...?? I admit this looks ugly....but at least have the stones to show up and help discussion.....Vote:Random lurker glyphz

[Reenk Roink]

Edit - had a long reply and line by line refuatation, but don't care as much anymore**...

Andres, you seem to be expecting I tell you my reason for voting for you. I won't. You get the fact that there is a reason and you get a motive ascribed to you by me. Why should you get a reason at all (seeing how many I vote for simply don't)?

Please don't call my insistent that TinCow has been proven innocent as nonsense when it clearly is not. Allow me to demonstrate (and I hesitate always to do this because TinCow always jumps on me for doing it):

In this game we know there is a twist* and so given that, along with the fact that a detective investigation of at least the Godfather is innocent, we can never rule out the logical possibility that a killed player is innocent. This is not one of those games which you can reason from the axiomatic nature of the rules that a killed person is a townie. It's as simple as that. The best you can say is that so and so is probably innocent. Saying confirmed is false.

As for me "roleplaying" a Mafia, I would really like to get an account where a Mafia has behaved like I have, because I sure as heck haven't seen one.

*I hope I don't have to show the problems with equivocating "a twist" to 1 role as has been done before.

Vote: Reenk Roink

Sorry Beefy sir, you are on your own. Hope you (and Ares) win, whatever side you are on. If you are on different sides then

Edit x6?: **Don't care about responding to my critics, obviously I still am interested in the game GH