Discussion: Bad move! What is fair?

**KozaK13** · 02-19-2009, 23:14

Damn i was really hoping to get playing right away without bothering with stam until i went for MP...

Hopefully steam will make up for it someway or another in multiplayer.

**Sir Beane** · 02-19-2009, 23:57

Originally Posted by KozaK13

Damn i was really hoping to get playing right away without bothering with stam until i went for MP...

Hopefully steam will make up for it someway or another in multiplayer.

Steam has very reliable and stable MP servers, and a reasonable matchmaking service. It also allows you to earn Steam Achivements, thus allowing you to show off to friends

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**ArtillerySmoke** · 02-20-2009, 00:05

Originally Posted by Sir Beane

Steam has very reliable and stable MP servers, and a reasonable matchmaking service. It also allows you to earn Steam Achivements, thus allowing you to show off to friends

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I've never used Steam yet...so I'll take your word for it on it's reliability and features. I know that many here at the .org think alike and can identify quality as opposed to a heap.

That said, the business aspect of it is what bothered me with this. Paying for and physically possessing a product and not being able to use it (locked out of single player? wtf) for over 24 hours simply because Steam exists as a company, leads to anti-Steam sentiment.

I haven't installed DoW2 yet and probably won't until they fix the Day 1 game breaking MP bug (population bug) but I'll report back on how I like Steam after I use it.

At least it'll be all set up for me when Empire drops.

**Incongruous** · 02-20-2009, 02:17

How absurd this is, I will buy a proper, physical copy of Empire, yet CA have seen fit to deny me the right of using that which I have puchased and is now mine by forcing me to go through with some idiotic activation scheme, which due to traffic will probably take ages, what If I have no connection at the time?
Shows a complete disrespect of the consumer.

Oh well, they will all get their dues in the near fuure I suppose.

**ToeAndno** · 02-20-2009, 02:19

OK

Dont buy it. Don't play it.

**Incongruous** · 02-20-2009, 02:22

Originally Posted by ToeAndno

OK

Dont buy it. Don't play it.

I see, yet another who sees no issue with the eroding of cunsumer rights, well I do and this is wrong.

**ToeAndno** · 02-20-2009, 02:27

I've had Steam for years, never had a problem with it. So for me this is not an issue.

If you indeed feel it is wrong then you will not buy the game.

**Lusitani** · 02-21-2009, 00:14

Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar

How absurd this is, I will buy a proper, physical copy of Empire, yet CA have seen fit to deny me the right of using that which I have puchased and is now mine by forcing me to go through with some idiotic activation scheme, which due to traffic will probably take ages, what If I have no connection at the time?
Shows a complete disrespect of the consumer.

Oh well, they will all get their dues in the near fuure I suppose.

Exactly!!!

Noone should be "forced" to use steam or whatever for a product one already paid for. Its not even the possible connection issues that bother me, but the abuse and disrespect of a paying consumer. Its the same as saying that ETW isnt a finnished product.

V.

**Mr Frost** · 02-22-2009, 16:23

Lets see : a mostly single player game that requires permission from a multi player provider ?
A game someone has payed money for {it will retail here in Queensland for atleast $80} that most people will never play over the internet {ie don't do M.P.} never the less absolutely requires that one connect to the internet {thus , have such a connection working and available at the time} inorder to actually use what one has , again , paid their own money for ?

Either , it is not the case and the disc comes with the usual activation key and that is all that is required

OR

It is a very silly and intrusive descision by Sega for it really sounds too dumb a move to have come from folks at The C/A from what I have gleaned of their apparant intelligence {ie , they seem too smart to do something that dumb} .

None of these sorts of "security" features will stop pirates nor slow them down much {certainly not in proportion to the number of customers whom get annoyed and the degree of said anoyance} as has been demonstrated by the pirated game "industry" yet the providers of such "security" features {and some of which are so badly designed they could be called bugs rather than features like the one that would perminantly disable C.D./D.V.D drives for detecting legitimate to own software} keep managing to fool purse string holding bean counters into using their services .
Major shareholders of the game producing companies {and most other corporations too} really need to stop focusing only on the performance of companies on the stock market and start paying much closer attention to how the corporations they invest vast sums of money into are actually run .
I feel sorry for The C/A having to subject themselves to the system as it stands . It has runed good game companies before today {I wouldn't be the least supprised if one of the biggest reasns The C/A left Activision was Activisions roll in wrecking Troika and Troikas' last game} . [/rant]