Grenadiers... Grenades?

[Megas Methuselah]

Actually, you know, all things considered, it's really not a big deal.

I bet a few weeks after release there'll be a 'no grenades' mod. It's just a matter of removing the weapon, isn't it? Same deal as pikemen and swords in MTW2, right?

Although I'm all for grenades, a question that would be posed by anti-grenade players is: what about MP?

IMHO, ETW is probably going to be one of few total war games worth playing on MP. I'm excited.

[TB666]

Although I'm all for grenades, a question that would be posed by anti-grenade players is: what about MP?

IMHO, ETW is probably going to be one of few total war games worth playing on MP. I'm excited.

Grenades shouldn't be a problem in MP.
As mentioned before, they got a short range and the unit itself isn't that big so a well-timed volley should destroy them before they have time to throw.

[Sir Beane]

Although I'm all for grenades, a question that would be posed by anti-grenade players is: what about MP?

IMHO, ETW is probably going to be one of few total war games worth playing on MP. I'm excited.

I think that in MP most players will be more than smart enough to stop Grenadiers getting up close and personal. It will just be another tactical challenge.

Given their small unit size and the short range I doubt they will be a favoured MP unit anyway. Empire is all about the ranged warfare, so grenades are not that handy really.

[hoom]

So what kind of ammo count do Grenadiers have?
Like 2 each or 30?

My very limited research on the topic seems to indicate Grenadiers were still using grenades probably for the first decade or two of the game, with use going out of fashion due to better musketry but I can't seem to find reference about whether they actually stopped being equipped with grenades or if they just weren't trying to use them?
I can imagine them striding out on the field with a couple of grenades ready (on a belt or in a satchell?) but never actually using them.

[Sir Beane]

So what kind of ammo count do Grenadiers have?
Like 2 each or 30?

My very limited research on the topic seems to indicate Grenadiers were still using grenades probably for the first decade or two of the game, with use going out of fashion due to better musketry but I can't seem to find reference about whether they actually stopped being equipped with grenades or if they just weren't trying to use them?
I can imagine them striding out on the field with a couple of grenades ready (on a belt or in a satchell?) but never actually using them.

They keep them in a satchel in game, I have no idea how many they have. They got off one round on my game before being shot to bits by Long Rifle Men.

They did indeed go out of fashion, and when you play the game you can see why.

[Megas Methuselah]

I dunno, Hoom. I never got the opportunity to actually overkill grenades as the range is very, very short, and the grenadiers essentially become sitting ducks. Ammo count wouldn't matter much, IMHO.

EDIT: Lol, stop beating my posts, Beane.

[Flavius Silvanus]

I think I would rather see them lose the grenades, but get more men in the unit.

[Mr Frost]

Well , all this answers a question I was going to ask when the demo came out {ie: about now :)} which was "do grenadiers have grenades , muskets and bayonets , which is 2 say : can soldiers now have more than just 2 weapons ?" .

Unless I have missread , they indeed have 3 weapons {the mentioned grenades , muskets and bayonets} which should mean 3 different weapons entries in their export_descr_units.txt {or whatever the applicable file will be called if different} which opens up all soets of interesting possibilities such as E.B.s Leuce Epos having javlins , lance and longsword , Thorakitai having javlins , spear and kopis , certain Kataphract units with bow , lance and mace/sword .

I'll be intrigued to see if even more than 2 are possible and if it is feasable to implement it . Interesting .

[Daevyll]

Considering the weight of grenades in that era, I doubt they'd have very many.
I consider the grenadiers to be an elite unit to stiffen the ranks, that is a bit better at assault situations and has a higher morale. The fact that they have an extra 'twist' in that they can throw grenades is a nicety, which is highly situational; I expect them to not use this ability in most battles.

Also, could perhaps be useful in clearing occupied buildings; a bit like throwing in a flash-bang before forced entry ;)

[pevergreen]

I think they could be used as a humiliation unit.

"Oh I just destroyed your army. To truly show you how scared I am, I shall walk my grenadiers up in front of your cannons, and throw some grenades into your cannons."

I did it, and lost 1/2 the unit to canister fire.