Re: citizens of EU member states - what do you think of galileo GPS competitor?
The Netherlands is incredibly tiny, if we would spend 4% on the military we wouldn't have any room to build houses on. We have a small but extremely advanced army and we can hit hard if we need to, but only with allies, if the world crumbles so do we.Originally Posted by Furunculus
Re: citizens of EU member states - what do you think of galileo GPS competitor?
I thought the whole point was transnational progressivism -- the end of the petty states and the radiant future of a Europe united as one community?
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Re: citizens of EU member states - what do you think of galileo GPS competitor?
So was the Vienna Convention, shame about that incident in the Balkans.
Re: citizens of EU member states - what do you think of galileo GPS competitor?
that is a political thought that i utterly reject, along with every single one of its tenets:
what a load of rubbish!Transnational progressivism is a term coined by Hudson Institute Fellow John Fonte in 2001 to describe a movement and political view that endorses a concept of postnational global citizenship and promotes the authority of international institutions over the sovereignty of individual nation-states.
Fonte argued that the core beliefs of this view include:
* Advocating the goals of an identity group rather than individual: "The key political unit is not the individual citizen...but the ascriptive group (racial, ethnic, or gender) into which one is born."[1]
* An oppressor/victim dichotomy: "Transnational ideologists have incorporated the essentially Hegelian Marxist "privileged vs. marginalized" dichotomy," with "immigrant groups designated as victims."[2]
* Proportional representation by group: "Transnational progressivism assumes that "victim" groups should be represented in all professions roughly proportionate to their percentage of the population. If not, there is a problem of "underrepresentation."[3]
* Change in institutional values: "the distinct worldviews of ethnic, gender, and linguistic minorities must be represented" within dominant social and political institutions.
* Change in the assimilation paradigm: "The traditional paradigm based on the assimilation of immigrants into an existing American civic culture is obsolete and must be changed to a framework that promotes "diversity," defined as group proportionalism."[4]
* Redefinition of democracy: "Changing the system of majority rule among equal citizens to one of power sharing among ethnic groups composed of both citizens and non-citizens."[5]
* Deconstruction of Western national narratives and national symbols in favor of post-modern multiculturalist views.
I go in the opposite direction and follow the westphalian principle of the sovereign nation state.
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found this, interesting reading:
http://www.hudson.org/index.cfm?fuse...ype=HI_reports
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/030118-6.htm
cheers
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Last edited by Furunculus; 02-25-2009 at 09:53.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
Re: citizens of EU member states - what do you think of galileo GPS competitor?
Transnational progressivism is a term coined by Hudson Institute Fellow John Fonte in 2001 to describe a movement and political view that endorses a concept of postnational global citizenship and promotes the authority of international institutions over the sovereignty of individual nation-states.
Fonte argued that the core beliefs of this view include:
* Advocating the goals of an identity group rather than individual: "The key political unit is not the individual citizen...but the ascriptive group (racial, ethnic, or gender) into which one is born."[1]
* An oppressor/victim dichotomy: "Transnational ideologists have incorporated the essentially Hegelian Marxist "privileged vs. marginalized" dichotomy," with "immigrant groups designated as victims."[2]
* Proportional representation by group: "Transnational progressivism assumes that "victim" groups should be represented in all professions roughly proportionate to their percentage of the population. If not, there is a problem of "underrepresentation."[3]
* Change in institutional values: "the distinct worldviews of ethnic, gender, and linguistic minorities must be represented" within dominant social and political institutions.
* Change in the assimilation paradigm: "The traditional paradigm based on the assimilation of immigrants into an existing American civic culture is obsolete and must be changed to a framework that promotes "diversity," defined as group proportionalism."[4]
* Redefinition of democracy: "Changing the system of majority rule among equal citizens to one of power sharing among ethnic groups composed of both citizens and non-citizens."[5]
* Deconstruction of Western national narratives and national symbols in favor of post-modern multiculturalist views.
Re: citizens of EU member states - what do you think of galileo GPS competitor?
that simply has no bearing in reality.
there is far more that binds us as a nation than divides us through demographic differences.
I don't see how... i now many people from the internet who i have much more in common with then your average britian. I just don't see how some British farmer living in a remote place would have more in common with a stockbroker in London than some French farmer living in a remote place, simply put they wouldn't. The farmers are both concerned about issues to do with farming they both used to a rural life... similar with a french stockbroker to a british one... concerned about financial markets.. both city slickers...
Why? if i am no longer governed by those whose decisions i can accept then i have two choices:
1) learn to live with it (why should I, its my country)
You don't like our current goverment but live with it...
You have the wills of people from all kinds of british towns imposing thier will on you... why should the people of cardiff have a say in ruling you ? why should newcastle have power over you ?
The simple answer is that you don't, you would still be just as much a part of a democratic process as before, just a smaller part of a bigger democratic process, to use this as an excuse for terrorism is wrong, it was wrong when muslim terrorists did it because of the iraq war and it would be wrong for you to do it because of further eu integration
2) fight against it (to re-install governance of my country, by my country, for my country)
Which country would that be ? your bedroom ? your house ? your street ? your town ? england ? britian ? europe ?
They are all exactly the same, the only difference is in each step you have less say but more clout...
It would seem you might be best served by accepting membership of Husar's merry little band of one-world-government groupies.
However, while i can understand it from him coming from a part of the western world that has been governed in a totally dysfunctional manner for the last hundred years, i am a little surprised that you would take that position.
One world goverment is obviously a very desirable goal, the rich couldn't avoid a fair level of taxation so easily, no need for armed forces (or maybe very small force... or very advanced police force...) instead of competing against each other we could work together and achieve much more...
Its not so much displeasure at the governance that lead me to this position... i have for example been against devolution since i was about 11, 12. Just because you achieve much more together and its a waste having seperate parliments and the like...
Though i admit theres displeasure at the government... i doubt that a one world government would be much closer to my views...
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Re: citizens of EU member states - what do you think of galileo GPS competitor?
1. well its a brave stance, but you are going against the understanding of 3000 years of "we the people", and while you may think that i fear you will find few people rallying behind your call for a post-sovereign world order.
2. because it is MY government, formed from people with whom i have a shared history, which informs the many shared values and cultural norms, and ultimately leads to a similar world-view and thus decision making process. because of this I consent to be governed by my peers, and most importantly i accept the consequences of the actions taken in my name.
i use the word terrorist "glibly". what is wrong with the view that your government has betrayed you if it gives away the cratos which the demos bestowed upon it to an unrelated third party without seeking the consent of the people?
if your government has betrayed its people then the people have the right to restore the demos-cratos.
3. see #2 re my bedroom
they are not all the same by any stretch of the imagination, and how is it logically possible for you to have more clout if you are veered away from your desired position by an enforced consensus dictat?!?!?
you already admitted you can't by wishing we were governed by the EU foriegn policy so that we could not invade iraq.
4. oh dear a proto-marxist is among us, there goes sensible debate.
how can you possible argue against devolution and for a centralising state when you have just witnessed gordon brown blow and extra £219 billion every year labour has been in power on bloated government! it defies belief:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/c...a-tragedy.html
Last edited by Furunculus; 02-25-2009 at 12:35.
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Re: citizens of EU member states - what do you think of galileo GPS competitor?
don't be so melodramatic. :)
i would not argue for 4%, but at least meeting the NATO goal of 2% would be a start.
Furunculus Maneuver: Adopt a highly logical position on a controversial subject where you cannot disagree with the merits of the proposal, only disagree with an opinion based on fundamental values. - Beskar
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