Sengoku Jidai, Japanese interactive History

[Kagemusha]

From Shogun

We are ready to give the same honours to Otomo Sorin, Oda Nobunaga and Asai Nagamasa.Once their heads are sent to Kyoto. We believe that Shimazu Takahisa and Hatakeyama Yoshitsugu, still have chances to redeem themselves in the eyes of Shogunate, by withdrawing their support to Rebels. Also Uesugi Kenshin should prepare to loose his rank as Kanto Kanrei, since it seems he is actively supporting rebel forces. Maybe the foreign religion and customs have made Otomo Sorin to forget how to treat fallen foes with proper respect. We will send you the head of your vassal, once the displaying period is over, so you can properly bury him.

[Revolting Friendship]

Answer to Shogun:

To the best of my knowledge, a samurai does not put on display the head of every peasant, bandit and dog he kills, nor a lowly warrior for that matter. These are instead gathered in piles and torched, or flung into massgraves and buried. This is how all samurai treat victims of no distinction. I see no reason why I should be an exception to this rule. If a daimyô fails to honour his stature, he is worse than a peasant who honor his. So if the peasant is burned or buried when killed, so will the daimyô be. This is the way of the Ôtomo.

Ôtomo Sorin


Answer to Yamana Yoshisada:

I never backstabbed or betrayed you, I never were your ally or friend prior to the deal I struck with Amako, after the events you refer to. Then he was the one to break our agreement. Before that, I had no deals with either of you whatsoever. Get your stories straight for once in your life.

Ôtomo Sorin

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Answer to Yamana Yoshisada:

I never backstabbed or betrayed you, I never were your ally or friend prior to the deal I struck with Amako, after the events you refer to. Then he was the one to break our agreement. Before that, I had no deals with either of you whatsoever. Get your stories straight for once in your life.

Ôtomo Sorin

So at Bizen, you backstabbed Amako, but not me? Maybe in fact I wasn't there! Maybe my men was really all in your head! It is what it is Sorin. You betrayed us, and do not have the honor to admit so. You don't have to be friends with someone to do so. Look at Mori, you betrayed him, but you wasn't friends with him, was you?


You should learn to starting admiting things as they are. Maybe one day Buddha will bless you the the courage to do so.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Revolting Friendship]

To the Yamana:

So by your logic, you betrayed the Isshiki, Amako betrayed the Urakami, also betraying the Môri, then the Môri betrayed them back, and so on and so forth. Yes in fact, everyone here is just backstabbing and betraying eachother, are they not?!
....
Don't you remember how Miyoshi Chokei became Kanrei, and under which terms the current shogun now rules? What manner of a clan is the Miyoshi? PAH!
Do you remember the Hosokawa, does the name ring a bell, and their fate perchance?
Then do you know who Takeda Shingen is, do you know of his deeds? For who remembers his father, where is he now and what was his name?
Who has not heard the name of Hôjô Soun? A descendant of the Hôjô Regents was he? And what about his decendants and their little kingdom on the kanto plain! Where now is the once Mighty Uesugi! Do you look at Uesugi Kenshin and see a descendant of either the Ogigayatsu or the Yamanouchi branch? All but destroyed by ruthless bandits, one of their vassals gets to carry their name and save it for posterity.
From where sprang the Amako, and the Môri for that matter? All once subordinates to greater clans, who in the wake of the Ônin war overthrew their masters, then to conspire and fight with their neighbours, all around them!

When I make enemies and fight battles, you call me dishonest, but you congratulate and pat the heads of your upstart allies, who stand there, soiled to their throats with the blood of lords and neigbours alike!
What have I done that they do not, how do you set me aside? I will tell you how;
Even before the Ashikaga Shogunate, and before there were any Shogun at all, and every man served the emperor, already then my first forefather made a name for himself and established the Ôtomo family.

I am Saemon no Kami, Ôtomo Yoshishige Sorin, 21st direct decendant of Fujiwara Ôtomo Hidesato, born during the reign of emperor Go-Shirakawa. I am the 21st Ôtomo Shugo of Bungo and Buzen, 14th Shugo of Chikuzen, Hizen and Higo. My forefathers served the Minamoto and helped establish the first Shogunate, and for this were rewarded the lordship of northerneastern Kyûshû. And in further recognition of distinguished service to Ashikaga Takauji, as he established the current Shogunate, we were rewarded the whole of northern Kyûshû. Land that I have now reclaimed rightful rulership of!

Me and my father, and his father before him have all watched as upstart bandits, murderes and traitors have abused and corrupted our nation, upstarts by the likes of the Miyoshi, who are responsible for the chaos that now engulfs us! And you dare to call me a rebel! I serve not these men, these traitors and usurpers, nor will I ever bow down to them. Therefore I cannot bow to the current Shogun either, no matter how I wish it, as to honor the memory of my ancestors! He may carry the name of Ashikaga, but he is but a shell of a ruler, a slight to the accomplishments of my family.
Stand there, unwashed ingrate, and scoff when I fight in the spirit that this generation of rulers have introduced to our land! I have no regret for putting my sword into rabid dogs, no matter how I do it!

Ôtomo Sorin

[Seign Thelas]

Though Lord Sorin is an enemy of my ally the Kanrei, he speaks a good deal of truth. He is but living by the code of this time period we live in. Were it not for this backstabbing, the clans Mori, Oda, Saito, Nagao (or Uesugi as he is now known), Miyoshi, even my own Hojo clan would be naught but retainers under larger powers.

[Paradox]

The Takeda would not be as glorious as it is today if Nobutora still lives. He was a rash fool of a warlord, and did not deserve to lead the proud Takeda clan. The Takeda domain would have been easily swallowed up by the Uesugi if I had not done what I had done, as none but I has proved to be the one who is able to face a foe such as Kenshin. I'm busy with more important things, like planning to fight the only talented warlord I see, a quality which most of you rebels lack. Though I hope Nobunaga won't disappoint as soon as I cross swords with him, his ally was disgraceful.

[Revolting Friendship]

To Takeda Shingen:

Your father, Shingen, took over a hopelessly splintered Kai from his father, and united it against horrible odds, fighting all of those who had fallen away from his predecessors. He was then attacked by coalitions of Hôjô and Imagawa, and the prominent clans of Shinano, the Suwa, Imai and Hiraga and so on. He fought them all, were victorious and continued to expand his domain and influence. Under whom do you think that the retainer band on which you so greatly rely on, was gathered and gained their immense experience? Fighting under what man did you gain your knowledge of tactics and strategy?

Nobutora was not disposessed because he was rash or incompetent, he was disposessed because the men who fought under him could not handle his fierceness and strong will, they were weakminded and selfish. Only as long as the hot air that Nobutora has blown into the Takeda family remains will you be successful. You are building on his vast accomplishments, nothing else.

Both of the men who helped you betray your father were killed at the same time, at the battle of Uedahara. That is divine justice, that is what a man must suffer for conspiring against an honorable Lord. You too will share in their fate, and only for Nobutora's love of his clan will you be allowed to maintain its power until after your father has passed. For not even the heavens would let Nobutora suffer to see all his hard work come to nothing.

Ôtomo Sorin

p.s. Nobutora still lives

[Paradox]

To Otomo Sorin:

Do not speak to me, lord Otomo, as if you knew my father better than I did. I have gladly surpassed my father both in judge of character, which he hardly excelled at, and of the understanding of military, diplomatic, and especially domestic affairs. And to say that I am simply building up on his accomplishments is quite simply absurd, and like I said, the Takeda clan would not have been able to last long if he were still leading it. And what a great retainer band he chose, as they all acknowledged his madness and the fact that the Takeda clan must be saved from an unworthy and hot-headed leader.

The fact that he was outsmarted by his son proves that his strong will could not have stood mine. You call my most loyal retainers selfish and weakminded, but I laugh at the fact that one such as Uesugi Kenshin cannot overcome them, and you are so quick to judge yet I stake my life that you would be fleeing with your tails between your legs at the mere sight of these skilled men. The hot air that he has blown is long gone along with his weak spirit, he will not be remembered and the shadow that he had casted over me has vanished.

Your argument can easily be mistaken for a taunt, Nobutora shamed himself, and the fact that he is not dead proves his stubbornness, cowardice, and dishonor he has brought onto himself. He has no chance to redeem himself, you are merely judging my abilities due to my unquestionable loyalty to the shogunate. Like I said, there are more important things to worry about than the past, Nobutora is long gone, to say he will return already tells me what I need to know about you.

Takeda Shingen

Oh, my mistake

[Revolting Friendship]

To Takeda Shingen:

Well as with all other things we shall just have to see if there is any truth in your words. But this much is so far a fact. Nobutora took a splintered and weak clan and made it strong, he built the mountain you now stand on top of to taunt your neighbours. Ever since you snatched away your fathers domain while he was in Tsuruga visiting his daughter, you have accomplished nothing but almost conquering Shinano, which he started.

You stood idle and watched while the Imagawa were brutally punished, taking a scarecely defended castle with vast numerical superiority. Tokugawa Ieyasu was on campaign and not even present with his main forces, and you say he was disgraceful? HA!
Is that your idea of honorable and noble fights? Seizing land in their rulers absence? It must be, seeing how you did the same thing to your father. But Uesugi Kenshin, who is ever present, has stopped you in your tracks every time.

I'm very much in doubt of your abilities as anything other than an oppertunistic thief.

Ôtomo Sorin

[Marshal Murat]

To Takeda and Otomo

Noble Otomo,
while I appreciate your statements, I will be the first to state that the Takeda and his noble retainers are some of the men best versed in war, and they have used this war to their advantage.

Noble Takeda,
I hope to meet your vaulted retainers in the Spring, as I begin the final campaign to recollect Shinano from your bloody hands, and finally break this Takeda threat that I and my allies have had to live with to my South. In the Spring, no matter what you will do, I will ford rivers and break mountains to achieve the destruction of your armies.

Uesugi Kenshin

[Kagemusha]

From Kitabatake,

First we would like to address Otomo Sorin. Surely Otomo is old and prestigeous Clan, but nothing special. For example i Kitabatake Tomonori can trace myself to living Gods, as i am descendant of an Tenno Murakami. About the honour and lack of it of certain Clans. As far as i can remember. It was Shimazu who took petty on the Otomo Clan, as it was in the verge of destruction. If i would look at most brave and honourable Clan of Kuyshu. It would be no doubt the Shimazu.

Also considering Miyoshi. I think That the Kanrei has shown with his deeds, acts that Otomo and their allies cant tarnish with their words. While Clans like Oda and Asai invaded our domain in order to annex our lands to theirs. The most honourable Kanrei gave me his army and support to take it back. Would it been Otomo, Asai or Oda, My lands would have been annexed straight to their domains, while Kanrei suffers of no such greed by giving us Kitabatake our lands back.

Kitabatake Tomonori

[Paradox]

Enough with this heathen, I shall conquer Shinano once and for all. Should I defeat Kenshin, which I am finally confident of achieving the honor, I will be sure to wipe the floor clean with these rebel scum immediately!

[Revolting Friendship]

Uesugi Kenshin, I will not argue the fact that the Takeda generals are competent warriors, but the quality of their leadership has vaned as of late, and as a man who owes so much to the exploits of his father, it's plain repulsing to see Shingen slander the man like this. It does him no merit. I hope his future deeds on the battlefield will overshadow his lack of tact, so that you may have not only victories, but well contested and glorious ones.

Ôtomo Sorin

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To the Yamana:



I am Saemon no Kami, Ôtomo Yoshishige Sorin, 21st direct decendant of Fujiwara Ôtomo Hidesato, born during the reign of emperor Go-Shirakawa. I am the 21st Ôtomo Shugo of Bungo and Buzen, 14th Shugo of Chikuzen, Hizen and Higo. My forefathers served the Minamoto and helped establish the first Shogunate, and for this were rewarded the lordship of northerneastern Kyûshû. And in further recognition of distinguished service to Ashikaga Takauji, as he established the current Shogunate, we were rewarded the whole of northern Kyûshû. Land that I have now reclaimed rightful rulership of!

Me and my father, and his father before him have all watched as upstart bandits, murderes and traitors have abused and corrupted our nation, upstarts by the likes of the Miyoshi, who are responsible for the chaos that now engulfs us! And you dare to call me a rebel! I serve not these men, these traitors and usurpers, nor will I ever bow down to them. Therefore I cannot bow to the current Shogun either, no matter how I wish it, as to honor the memory of my ancestors! He may carry the name of Ashikaga, but he is but a shell of a ruler, a slight to the accomplishments of my family.
Stand there, unwashed ingrate, and scoff when I fight in the spirit that this generation of rulers have introduced to our land! I have no regret for putting my sword into rabid dogs, no matter how I do it!

Ôtomo Sorin

You make some good points Sorin, but still, there is a line, and you crossed it. If you fighting battles, there is nothing dishonest about it. War is war. But If I did something, you had no problem calling me a coward, or scolding one of my allies if they did something like you been doing, yet if your clan did, It's not alright to call you a rebel even though that is what you are? Yes, your ancestors might be impressive, but does that give you the right to do what you doing now? No!



You wish to speak about our ancestors? So be it.



I, Yamana Yoshisada, formely Yamana Toyosada, am the leader of them Yamana Clan. I am a descendent of Minamoto Yoshishige. My ancestors in this clan was powerful shugo family in Muromachi Period the and we were loyal supporters of the Ashikaga! We were in the bloody Onion War, Sorin. We did then, and we will go on supporting the Shogun, regardless of what you plan on doing!



I will fight with my allies aganist rebels like yourself. If I must live to do this, great. If I must die though, I shall also to make sure this rebellion is quell and peace is restored.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Kagemusha]

OOC: I added a link to district maps of each province to the first page. If you want to look how the provinces look like more close.

[AggonyDuck]

From Kitabatake,

Also considering Miyoshi. I think That the Kanrei has shown with his deeds, acts that Otomo and their allies cant tarnish with their words. While Clans like Oda and Asai invaded our domain in order to annex our lands to theirs. The most honourable Kanrei gave me his army and support to take it back. Would it been Otomo, Asai or Oda, My lands would have been annexed straight to their domains, while Kanrei suffers of no such greed by giving us Kitabatake our lands back.

Kitabatake Tomonori

You truly know nothing of me and my treatment of my allies. If I had been in the position of Miyoshi, I would had done the same. But as I am not Miyoshi Chokei, but Oda Nobunaga, the circumstances are different. You see, the Miyoshi have understood that gratitude paves the way to willing servitude. We tried to make your father our vassal and in the process we made you a Miyoshi servant. Life does have a certain irony to it, don't you think?

Oda Nobunaga

OOC: Kage, do you have a list of the province income somewhere? I've forgotten about it and need to do some calculations.

[Prince Cobra]

To make this clear. Miyoshi have no claims over the Kitabatake lands.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[Kagemusha]

From Kitabatake to Oda,

We consider ourselves friends of Miyoshi, not servants. As Shugo family we are servants of the Ashikaga Shogunate. You can say what you want, but your allies started the war to annex our domain and the Kanrei came to our aid as he is supposed when a legal Shugo of a province is being harassed by rebels. You and your allies are rebels, while i am Shugo of Ise and Miyoshi Chokei is rightful Kanrei, appointed by the Shogun. Previous Hosokawa Kanreis were too weak to defend their Shugo´s, but Miyoshi Chokei has successfully already defended me and Kono Michinao. You can be sure that i will do my utmost best to help crushing your rebellion, so Kinki area can witness peace once more.

Kitabatake Tomonori

EDIT: Duckie, such list open for players does not exist. You only know what you can find out.

[Paradox]

To Otomo Sorin:

I would briefly like to point out that my father was loathed by his own people as well as his retainers. This is enough information to conclude that he was, to put it bluntly, a plain bad leader. And as I doubt you know, the populace was growing more and more displeased of him due to his harsh rule. You say I'm an opportunistic thief, but I guess that's just one of the qualities I picked up during his advantageous intervention during the Imagawa succession feud.

I am hoping that the fellow loyal warlords in the west won't destroy you before I have the chance to dominate you in the battlefield, just as the Shimazu should have done.

[Revolting Friendship]

To Takeda:

Saving a clan sometimes cost money, building a strong economy costs money, the people pay for such things. Enjoy the security your father bought you, now you'll not need to be disagreeable with your people for doing what someone had to do. Ungrateful dog.

To Kitabatake:

My point is not that I care about stock and rights, even though I have both. My point is that these slandering enemies of mine pretend to care about such things, when they refer to them, branding me a dishonorable traitor, backstabbing scum and a rebel, for doing things they have already done time and time again. For such things they claim their right to destroy me, and encourage others to do the same. They are hypocrites, this is why I despise them. The whole political situation of this country is nothing but a farce.

I have reclaimed the lands that were "rightfully mine". I have laid claims to lands of enemies that weren't "rightfully" theirs. Miyoshi Chokei conspired and fought his Lords and his uncle and destroyed both, took what was theirs, gave nothing back, and then he took control of the Shogun, forced on himself the title of Kanrei, and now he sits there in his castle with his pet figurehead and assumes to be a just and noble ruler; branding other warlords as rebels and agitators for emulating his deeds... He's sitting there, pissing on himself and everyone who supports him. He has branded himself and everyone else as rebels and traitors who should rightly be brought to justice and killed.

Well then. I will be their executioner, if they will be mine. Come, and let us punish eachother for our transgressions.

Ôtomo Sorin

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I won't be on tomarrow (Sunday) by the way. I will return on Monday and I will send my decsions out Tuesday

[Kagemusha]

From Kitabatake,

Well spoken Lord Otomo, while i disagree with many things. You believe that you can be a force that can unite Nippon. I believe that the current Bakufu can do it. Let swords decide who is right as the winner will decide who was wrong and who not. I look forward crossing swords with Otomo.

Kitabatake Tomonori

[King Jan III Sobieski]

To Takeda Shingen:

I'm very much in doubt of your abilities as anything other than an oppertunistic thief.

Ôtomo Sorin

Lord Imagawa does not respond well to slanderous attacks on his allies!

[seireikhaan]

Kage- Looking ahead, I believe I will be able to resume command of Satomi in two weeks. Unfortunately, midterms demands my attention until then.

[Kagemusha]

Thats great new Khaan! Il take care of your Clan untill then.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

To Otomo Sorin:

I am hoping that the fellow loyal warlords in the west won't destroy you before I have the chance to dominate you in the battlefield, just as the Shimazu should have done.

My respect to you Lord Takeda, but I disargee. I do not like Otomo Sorin. You don't ethier and he proably hates us just the same.


I will make sure me and my allies destory him for you, and if he is still standing anyhow, you may have the honour of killing this rebel dog.




Lord Yamana Yoshisada

[Revolting Friendship]

Burning preposterous letters from Lord Yamana over his oil-lamp, Ôtomo Sorin keeps himself warm throughout winter. Outside, the Ôtomo samurai practice their kyûdô on the implicitly target-like Yamana mon, torn from captured sashimono. The pet idiot of Miyoshi Chokei figure extensively in kyôgen intermissions, in theatres throughout the Ôtomo domains. Much jollity is shared by commoners and aristocrats alike.

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Yamana Yoshisada is still on the beach, while some troops are getting ready to pull out. He is standing on the beach by himself, while his men and allied troops walk past him, bowing as they do. He stares at the sunset and think about the previous night battle and his injured shoulder. There are still some bodies left on the beatch, waiting to be picked up or to be carry away by the ocean waves.

Yoshioka Sadakuni walks up to the Lord Yamana and saids "My Lord....". Yoshisada turns and Yoshioka bows.


"My Lord... How are you? How is your shoulder?"

"It is good Yoshioka..... I must thank you for protecting me in battle. You are my Head Of Bodyguard, and I am happy you did not die in battle."

Yoshioka replies in a sad tone "But I am sad for the ones that die...."

"I am too Sadakuni. But we must live for the living, not the dead. We must go forward and carry on, but we must NEVER forget these brave men. We must fight Otomo Sorin and his Rebel bastard allies until they perish. Even if it kills me!"

"Well My Lord, I hope you don't die, becauses I would fail. But do no worry though, I should not even say that, you will never die with me as your Head Of Bodyguard. We will kill these enemies once and for all, with our brave allies who also lost some troops here...."

"Yes Yoshioka, well, lets go get ready to move out....."



Yoshioka nods his head, then bows, and the two men walk back to what is left of their camp.

[Prince Cobra]

Watch your double-tip tongue, Otomo Sorin, otherwise I can have it nailed on the scaffold.

Miyoshi Chokei, Kanrei

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

Hoe many people got their orders in so far Kage?

I get my in tonight or tomarrow morning (Friday).