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    Default Re: Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    CR I have a question for you. Why do you need Assault Rifles?
    Why does it have to be about need?
    It is not about needing anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I am a free man and should not have to prove I need anything or convince the government they should allow me to have it.

    It is my right.

    I thought there was a life long ban on gun threads anyway. Didn't something crazy happen back in 2000, like a bunch of Welsh TW players broke into Gregoshi's house and made inflammatory posts in the now-defunct Org gardening section which made Idaho mad and threaten to kill himself? Or am I getting things mixed up?
    It happened before I joined, or entered the backroom (there was a time when I spent most of my time on the MTW forums!), but I heard a gun debate caused a bunch of people to get their ideological friends to register and start some sort of super-flamming debate. And that was what made them put in the junior member bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    It is not about needing anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I am a free man and should not have to prove I need anything or convince the government they should allow me to have it.

    It is my right.
    From your point of view, we can extrapolate that it is in your right to possess nuclear, chemical or biological weaponry without your government having any say in it whatsoever. Why are they banning nuclear weapons anyway? Pfft, it only limits your own freedom to defend yourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    From your point of view, we can extrapolate that it is in your right to possess nuclear, chemical or biological weaponry without your government having any say in it whatsoever. Why are they banning nuclear weapons anyway? Pfft, it only limits your own freedom to defend yourselves.
    Right, and we can extrapolate from your point of view that you want to ban video games and the internet

    Everything you've said was already answered in this thread. Check Seamus's posts and you'll find and answer to this question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    From your point of view, we can extrapolate that it is in your right to possess nuclear, chemical or biological weaponry without your government having any say in it whatsoever. Why are they banning nuclear weapons anyway? Pfft, it only limits your own freedom to defend yourselves.
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    Where did it go, where did it go, come on, where is it...





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    Hehe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit View Post
    It is not about needing anything. I've said it before and I'll say it again - I am a free man and should not have to prove I need anything or convince the government they should allow me to have it.

    It is my right.
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    It could be argued that it is also the right of those who are against gun ownership to feel free to walk out of their houses and walk down the street without having to worry if each person they walk past is packing.

    I mean....what kind of society does it produce when I have to worry what I say some guy if I get in an argument at work....because he might get pissed enough to pull out a gun?
    I wonder how a supervisor in the US post office feels every time he needs to give a negative job evaluation to one of the employees in his charge.....does he get his affairs in order before doing so?

    And if some moron cuts me off in traffic do I dare have a moment of unconsidered emotion and give him the finger?....what if he has a gun in his glove compartment?

    Is a society where you have to walk on eggshells around your fellow citizens a free one?
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    Default Re: Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    And if some moron cuts me off in traffic do I dare have a moment of unconsidered emotion and give him the finger?....what if he has a gun in his glove compartment?
    Actually, a car is considerably more dangerous than a gun. Think about it.

    I don't see why guns change the equation so very much. Do you worry about a co-worker punching you? He could take that pen in his hand and stab you in the neck. Is that a serious concern? Just because guns make lethal violence easier doesn't mean they make it more likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
    Actually, a car is considerably more dangerous than a gun. Think about it.

    I don't see why guns change the equation so very much. Do you worry about a co-worker punching you? He could take that pen in his hand and stab you in the neck. Is that a serious concern? Just because guns make lethal violence easier doesn't mean they make it more likely.
    No...I don´t worry about someone punching me....

    ....maybe I´m wrong but I don´t see numerous reports about people being stabbed by pens....but I´ll keep and eye out for that.

    guns make lethal violence a LOT easier...and therefore more probable to be attempted (and more important to be successful) in a moment of ill-considered anger....I believe there is ample examples to prove this. to say nothing of the lone nut who actually plans it out before coming in to the office and blowing everyone's brains out.
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    On the contrary, an angry person would be more likely to think twice if he had a more lethal weapon available. Simply throwing a punch is easy - the victim is not likely to be seriously injured. Drawing a handgun, on the other hand, is not only likely to cause the perpetrator to think twice - it is also very rare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars View Post
    On the contrary, an angry person would be more likely to think twice if he had a more lethal weapon available. Simply throwing a punch is easy - the victim is not likely to be seriously injured. Drawing a handgun, on the other hand, is not only likely to cause the perpetrator to think twice - it is also very rare.

    So if for example you are in a bar and some drunken fool tries to start a fight with you..you would rather him have a gun than not?

    I would rather he had no gun and tried to take a swing at me.....I´m not so sure a person in such a condition would "think twice" before pulling a gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    So if for example you are in a bar and some drunken fool tries to start a fight with you..you would rather him have a gun than not?

    I would rather he had no gun and tried to take a swing at me.....I´m not so sure a person in such a condition would "think twice" before pulling a gun.
    You're looking at hypotheticals - where are the statistics?

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    Imagine Neo-Nazi's getting hold of sweet hot brand new Assault Rifles!
    They can - but guess what! They'd be too scared to use them.
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    Default Re: Obama; New Type of Hope, Same Type of Stupid (Gun Control)

    Quote Originally Posted by Ronin View Post
    I mean....what kind of society does it produce when I have to worry what I say some guy if I get in an argument at work....because he might get pissed enough to pull out a gun?
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