Wallachia is not Bulgaria !

[Olimpian]

CA has to keep the number of provinces manageable. It does them no good to include all the provinces of every single race and ethnicity that believed themselves more important historically than they really are.

There's always been too much "my race is more important than your race" chest thumping here and it gets old really fast. People outside these provinces don't care. Period.

Hahaha... you do not get the point. This is not a race thing. It is purely about real history. If that is how things really, undoubtably, and uncontestably were, why change things? I mean, just stick Walachia with Moldavia and you got a nice Romanian province and a nice Bulgarian province. Simple and straightforward.

And about no one else caring, I find that very ignorant. People should care abut European history. The real history, not Hollywood's history. And I think it is to be expected that people from a region will expect accurate representation and complain about the lack of it because...well...they know. Do you expect a guy from France to start complaining about the misrepresentation of Syria? Well maybe he would if he were somewhat documented on the subject. But of course the most history you know is that of your country/region/etc.. Would you like your home country to be absorbed into one of its neighbours, knowing it is just plain bull? Maybe you wouldn't care, but you should. But I guess history is more like scifi for ever more people...

PS: Please note I did not/am not/will not offend anybody here (or at least am trying not to), I'm just thinking out loud about the disinterest in knowing where we came from and what was before us ; and am a bit disappointed that some have taken all that I have said as a nationalist outburst, when it was not intended to be so.

[andrewt]

Hahaha... you do not get the point. This is not a race thing. It is purely about real history. If that is how things really, undoubtably, and uncontestably were, why change things? I mean, just stick Walachia with Moldavia and you got a nice Romanian province and a nice Bulgarian province. Simple and straightforward.

And about no one else caring, I find that very ignorant. People should care abut European history. The real history, not Hollywood's history. And I think it is to be expected that people from a region will expect accurate representation and complain about the lack of it because...well...they know. Do you expect a guy from France to start complaining about the misrepresentation of Syria? Well maybe he would if he were somewhat documented on the subject. But of course the most history you know is that of your country/region/etc.. Would you like your home country to be absorbed into one of its neighbours, knowing it is just plain bull? Maybe you wouldn't care, but you should. But I guess history is more like scifi for ever more people...

PS: Please note I did not/am not/will not offend anybody here (or at least am trying not to), I'm just thinking out loud about the disinterest in knowing where we came from and what was before us ; and am a bit disappointed that some have taken all that I have said as a nationalist outburst, when it was not intended to be so.

I'll be blunt. If CA included everything that you guys want included, Empire would be completely unplayable. You'd have over 100000 provinces and you'd still not be finished with one grand campaign by 2015 even if you played 100 hours a week.

For all I care, Ottoman Eastern European possessions could be one region called Ottoman Eastern Europe. It's not because I'm ignorant of history. It's because you're ignorant of modeling. There's a reason a barbie doll doesn't have every single organ in the human body and it's not because Mattel is being ignorant of the human anatomy.

The fact is, there are always abstractions where games are concerned. There's no historical data to suggest that line infantry are 50% better in melee than militias rather than 60%. Game provinces are the same. There should be a set amount of provinces to control game length. After you hit that mark, certain provinces should be cut from the game or combined with another.

You can deny it is a nationalistic outburst, but it really is a nationalistic outburst. You're upset that your country is one of the regions that got put on the cutting floor or combined with another province. Look at my join date. I've been at these forums ever since Shogun and there's always no end to complaints by people wondering why their end of the boondocks isn't included in the game.

[Olimpian]

I'll be blunt. If CA included everything that you guys want included, Empire would be completely unplayable. You'd have over 100000 provinces and you'd still not be finished with one grand campaign by 2015 even if you played 100 hours a week.

For all I care, Ottoman Eastern European possessions could be one region called Ottoman Eastern Europe. It's not because I'm ignorant of history. It's because you're ignorant of modeling. There's a reason a barbie doll doesn't have every single organ in the human body and it's not because Mattel is being ignorant of the human anatomy.

The fact is, there are always abstractions where games are concerned. There's no historical data to suggest that line infantry are 50% better in melee than militias rather than 60%. Game provinces are the same. There should be a set amount of provinces to control game length. After you hit that mark, certain provinces should be cut from the game or combined with another.

You can deny it is a nationalistic outburst, but it really is a nationalistic outburst. You're upset that your country is one of the regions that got put on the cutting floor or combined with another province. Look at my join date. I've been at these forums ever since Shogun and there's always no end to complaints by people wondering why their end of the boondocks isn't included in the game.

Neah, I'm just so intrigued why they didn't just draw the borders a bit more logically. I never said there should be an extra province there, just different borders. I think I already stated that in an earlier post - do I express myself that bad?

Just because you have 1000+ posts and are here since the stone age doesn't count as an argument in a discussion as far as I am concerned. I have seen my fair share of nationalist threads. If you think this is one of them and I am nothing but an over-crazed Romanian that wants every Romanian county in the game.... it must mean I am very bad at expressing an idea.

[andrewt]

Neah, I'm just so intrigued why they didn't just draw the borders a bit more logically. I never said there should be an extra province there, just different borders. I think I already stated that in an earlier post - do I express myself that bad?

Just because you have 1000+ posts and are here since the stone age doesn't count as an argument in a discussion as far as I am concerned. I have seen my fair share of nationalist threads. If you think this is one of them and I am nothing but an over-crazed Romanian that wants every Romanian county in the game.... it must mean I am very bad at expressing an idea.

Probably a misunderstanding on my part. I understood your first post as saying Wallachia and Bulgaria should be two separate provinces instead of what it is currently. I think the number of provinces in game is good enough. The only ones I think should be split are France and Spain, which should be 2-3 provinces each.

[The historian]

Yes i remember Civ 2 endgame didn't stop me from playing.
As for Europa Universals you need a new computer Andrewt no offense meant i'd buy it for you if i could EU is a great game my greatest dream is a EU series-Total war series combination.
That would be the most perfect game ever would probably take till 2015 to complete but i'd savor every moment of it.

[andrewt]

My computer can easily handle it. By bog down, I don't mean it taxes my system. I mean I found it full of tedious micromanagement. Some things are better off automated or abstracted out of games.

[Kobal2fr]

Probably a misunderstanding on my part. I understood your first post as saying Wallachia and Bulgaria should be two separate provinces instead of what it is currently. I think the number of provinces in game is good enough. The only ones I think should be split are France and Spain, which should be 2-3 provinces each.

I'm OK with France being one giant province, even though it bothered me at first (it's counterbalanced by the many French colonial regions). But Marseilles really ought to be a working port from the get go - it's been a major trading hub since before the Romans for chrissake ! And it's really counterintuitive and a-historical for France to have to invade northern Italy just to have a presence in the Mediterranean...

[KozaK13]

That map just looked like the med 2 map, infact it even says so.

Atleast this is civil for a more nationalistic thread, i would love to see more provinces in the balkans to give you more to do but hey thats life.

[Forward Observer]

Well, I'm really, really upset at how my hometown was depicted by the time I got there:



A cathouse? Come on! Sure there are a few HO's in the area, but Little Rock, Arkansas is mostly a city and state of inbred toothless, booger eatin' rednecks and we're mighty damn proud of it!