The Settlement [Concluded]

[TinCow]

We clearly have four separate killers so far. The scribe-killer who uses a knife, the red robed sorcerer, the mace killer, and Pisuf. The mace killer has not reappeared since Ares was lynched, so it's reasonable to assume that we have disposed of him. The sorcerer is mafia, as he was specifically named on N2 as a sorceror of Vode. The scribe-killer is not described in that same manner, so his allegiance is not as clear, but the fact that he's killed three nights in a row makes it extremely unlikely that he's pro-town. Pisuf is likely pro-town or independent with his own goals, but it's hard to determine from the single write-up we have of him.

There is a significant difference between the scribe-killer and the sorcerer, namely that the scribe-killer has a specific MO. It is extremely troubling that he has killed off three writers/scribes on successive nights. This is not a coincidence, these people have been specifically targeted because of their roles. In addition, the scribe-killer must have had the identity of at least TheFlax from the very beginning of the game. He killed right on the first night, so there was no time to investigate. The only way he could have hit a scribe immediately was to already know that TheFlax was a scribe. The successive kills on Gaius Scribonius Curio and GH make it likely that he knew their identities prior to killing them as well. It seems likely that if there are any more scribes out there, the scribe-killer knows who they are and will kill them soon. Thus, I urge any scribes to reveal themselves and help us figure out what is going on. You're almost certainly going to die anyway, so it's worth trying to figure out why you are being targeted. In addition, if there are any doctors in this game, you might get protection by revealing.

Since he is one of the now-dead scribes, GH's statements are particularly curious. First he says lynch FH, then he says lynch Andres. Both are stated in a manner that indicates he knows something. Mind explaining why we should lynch these two, GH?

[edit] Sorry, was writing while GH posted. 100% guilty is a pretty strong statement. Either something about your death pointed you towards him or you had this information previously and didn't disclose it. Which is it?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Well, Andres is most certainly guilty. FH is probably guilty as well, but that's besides the point.

As far as why you should lynch them, the best explanation I can give is that it is the town's objective to lynch the guilty people. Therefore, unless you wish to purposely flout your given objectives, you should lynch Andres.

[Askthepizzaguy]

If you're a scribe and need to reveal, while hiding your identity, reveal to me. I would be willing to give both GH and Sasaki the benefit of the doubt; the problem is, neither of them have approached me and even hinted why.

I don't have a better suspect than Andres, so I can't exactly defend him. I am just curious why, and "I said so" isn't much of a case. Whatever... I'm just along for the ride.

I say you need to justify this somehow, unless it's specifically barred by the rules.

[taka]

i say we lynch from the bottom up

on a more serious note

Vote: andres

i know i dont talk/post much, but it seems andres is a bit too quiet for my liking, not seen him post much at all

a bit of pressure voting i guess u can call it

[seireikhaan]

I shall take His word
As such, I unvote: Sigurd
And I Vote: Andres

[TheFlax]

ATPG will be unhappy with me saying this, but he's the only person to whom I revealed I was a scribe before I died. I don't know who he told after that though.

Its also possible that the three men of words killings were a coincidence as I seems a high percentage of Good Men hold roles of the sort. It has been said that the knife killer perhaps only targets Good Men for some reason and that could explain it.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Okay, I believe you guys. Here's Andres' activity.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Andres

post 115- Joke post.
120- Joke post, anti-Good Men.
129- Anti-Good Men.
137- Joke post, anti-Good Men.
158- Smile only.
169- joke only.
188- joke post: "No more taxes"'
248- Asks me why I lynch myself.
283- joke post

Editor's note: A whole lot of unhelpful behavior?

Nothing page 5

Post 445: edits a post, but does not contribute.

post 492: "Busy week-end. Read the write-up of last night and I know enough.

Vote : 777Ares777

The next 8 pages will have to wait until tomorrow "

nothing page 8

Editor's note. He's watching the thread and not contributing. A whole lot of nothing.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=616

Post 722

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=722

Editor's note: This isn't the Andres I know. Check out both posts.

Bottom line: I think Andres does have a role. He was here, and he was not helping us, not one bit. And it seems as though there are holes in his story that he was just "too busy".

I don't buy it. From this evidence alone, he needs to explain himself. I'd toss my name into the hat of people who think Andres is guilty.

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Andres using my two votes a person from beyond the grave saying that they are 100% sure is good enough for me.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ATPG will be unhappy with me saying this, but he's the only person to whom I revealed I was a scribe before I died. I don't know who he told after that though.

I told Sasaki, and my partner. And everyone who revealed to me can tell people they did so. It does not bother me one bit. I think we are heading towards the part of the game where my partner needs to reveal anyway. Let's see if he does.

[Yoyoma1910]

Hmm...


I suppose it could be like the pever/Ares thing. I don't know... Sounds pretty good though. Likely the "scribe killer" is targeting Good Men, and has gotten two scribes and one diplomat.

Perhaps they ingest the person's work, because they believe it will make them become a good man themselves?

*hick-up*

Anyway, Vote:Andres


...

[Askthepizzaguy]

In other news, I have someone claiming to be the investigator, and either that person is the investigator for real, or I have found not one, but two mafia.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Ok I should probably follow up on that with... say... a plan.

Some come to mind. But suffice it to say, if someone falsely revealed as an investigator, I don't need to come up with a plan. The real investigator will probably come up with one on their own. I have one to suggest, but I prefer to wait and see if anyone bites.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Just to clarify...

I'm not saying that the 'scribe-killer' is definitely out to kill scribes as such. My opinion that given the antagonism between the two schools of thought regarding literacy (of which I belong to the legitimate one), then it is a possibility. It could indeed be luck that the killer is using, attacking the 'Good Men' in full knowledge that the uneducated peasantry would not be scribes. Or it could be as others have suggested that the killer is targeting the 'Good men' for his own other dark purposes.

As a quick note it would make strictly logical sense for any mafioso to target the 'Good Men'. But I won't go into that right now, its easy enough to see why...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

but here's the thing....HOW does he know, who is a scribe? I would think he is just limiting the number of Good men....so this way there is no chance a person with 2 votes can get lucky and lynch him.. (means it's not a "Good Man" who is killing good men....but the other guy...the wizard is likely one, since I imagine he would love his books....)

Some good points here. So far, the "scribe killer" has accounted for a scribe, an author, and a bureacrat -- all Boni. The last was wonderfully funny, but the "writing" was inconsequential to GH's role -- the kill seemed more for parallelism and enjoying the label we've hung on the killer.

Also, White_eyes point about eliminating the double voters makes sense -- a simple yet powerful reduction of the most deadly lynch opponents. This needs to be factored into our thinking.


btw, apropos of nothing whatever, Reenk really liked the rome-theme mafia game a while ago. "The Boni" or Good Men were a political grouping in Rome that opposed G.J. Caesar -- and eventually knifed him to death. I just get the sense that someone is being playful here....


I see no real case against Andres. Moreover, isn't he off getting drunk at his annual festival? Not that he hasn't used RL as a cover for mafia before -- I know he has -- but is he even in a position to reply to all this pressure?


Blackadder: Why no vote until now? You have not been absent -- you've posted -- yet until now we see you taking no stands at all.

Tristan: Lurk much? You abstained in round one and have voted not at all since. Get involved me lad...

Sigurd too is underinvolved. And more so than I!

Vote: Tristan

[Captain Blackadder]

I voted in round one as for round two quite simply I forgot to I meant to vote but just didn't get around to it and as you can see now I am back to voting again.

[TheFlax]

Some good points here. So far, the "scribe killer" has accounted for a scribe, an author, and a bureacrat -- all Boni.

Small correction. Two scribes (fighting a valiant battle against reading, may I say so myself) and one bureaucrat, which is the latest murder.

[Jolt]

GH, you're dead so I don't get it how you can't say howcome you manage to get suspects over your head. Do you have an investigator partner?

[Jolt]

Anyways, the tally is (I think):

Andres 7 (taka, Capt. Blackadder, Yoyoma, sereikhaan)
Ichigo 2 (Jolt)
Tristan 1 (Seamus)

[LittleGrizzly]

Im willing to take the word of a dead innocent for it... it gives me more confidence than going for the lynch the lurker strategy...

Vote Andres

[naut]

Vote: Abstain

I'm in a hurry.

[Andres]

It seems like the time to reveal has come for me:

This is my role pm:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Hello Andres, thanks for playing

Andres flees... to return at night!

Terms and conditions

You are an assassin

You just were a thief, a long time ago. A good one, but just a thief. Then this weird but scary man recruited you.

He told you that the good men were evil. Not all good men were evil, but most were. He wanted you to kill.

You pretended to agree while adeptly pickpocketing the scary one wearing the silk robes and you nearly got away with it.

Somehow, the robed man caught you. But he wasn't angry, no, he smiled at you. He said you had proven your worth to be part of his plans. You would be sent out to one of the new settlements to make an end at the oppression of the good men.

He then produced for you a sharp knife and ordered you to accomplish your mission.

It was time to end the discrimination!

Battle Rating:

4 - You are a weak small fan who nevertheless is very dangerous in a fight due your speed and stealth abilities. Larger, stronger, and better trained men would do well to watch out for your

Abilities:

Kill: Every night period, you may attempt to kill one of the good men. This involves entering his tent or house and stabbing him to death. You are much better at escaping with your own life if you fail to take your target than most.

Victory Conditions:

Exterminate the good men
Outlast the usurpers (settler victory)

Yes, I'm a killer. But I'm not necessarily anti town. It's obviously no longer possible for me to fullfil both victory conditions, since apparently I got a guilty result on me.

I'd like to propose a deal in return for my survivial: I refrain from killing from further killing from now on. You can easily check this, since I'm the killer with the knife. If the knife killer appears once again, you can lynch me. I can also serve as your executioner in case one of the good men is deemed suspicious. If one of the remaining good men turns out to be scum, then I shall kill him at night, so we don't have to waste a lynch on scummy good men.



Vote : abstain

[_Tristan_]

I wish to send to our host my excuses for not being able to participate fully in this game.

Alas, I was taken to hospital in emergency on Sat-Sun night and just got back home (and to the PC)...

I hope my being off the radar for so long did not spoil the fun of any others or the game in any way...




P.S. : Don't worry it was nothing too serious...


EDIT : not dead yet... But a lot to catch up to...

[TinCow]

Vote: Andres

We have 5 more Good Men left alive. While I hate Jerk Oppression as much as the next pleb, allowing their extermination is surely not in the best interests of the town.

[Andres]

Vote: Andres

We have 5 more Good Men left alive. While I hate Jerk Oppression as much as the next pleb, allowing their extermination is surely not in the best interests of the town.

I won't kill anymore, only if town whishes me to do so. And if I do, I'll be easily exposed. Also note that my other victory condition is getting rid of the usurpers.

So basically I offer to be the towns' vigilante. If I don't stick to my end of the deal, I'll be spotted easily as the knife killer and you can lynch me.

[TinCow]

I won't kill anymore, only if town whishes me to do so. And if I do, I'll be easily exposed. Also note that my other victory condition is getting rid of the usurpers.

So basically I offer to be the towns' vigilante. If I don't stick to my end of the deal, I'll be spotted easily as the knife killer and you can lynch me.

You've killed 3 people already and in order to win you have to kill 5 more. I'm sure you'll excuse my poor manners if I say that I don't trust you to act in the town's best interests for the rest of the game. Plus, if we don't lynch you here, we have to go with another fuzzy lynch with far less evidence. Better to stretch an admitted scum here and now rather than risk an innocent death.

[Andres]

You've killed 3 people already and in order to win you have to kill 5 more. I'm sure you'll excuse my poor manners if I say that I don't trust you to act in the town's best interests for the rest of the game. Plus, if we don't lynch you here, we have to go with another fuzzy lynch with far less evidence. Better to stretch an admitted scum here and now rather than risk an innocent death.

I'm a solo character and as such not the biggest threat for town.

Also, I am already exposed and will have no way to keep killing and remain unnoticed by town.

There's no risk in keeping me alive. In a worst case scenario, I can take out one more good man that is not deemed suspicious by town and then it's game over for me.

However, if I cooperate, then my abilities can be of use for town, as in I can vig kill a suspicious good man.

Note that in a scenario where there are only a couple townies left, including a suspicious good men, my ability to kill a mafia-good man may be your only chance for a townie win.

[Andres]

Regardless what you guys decide to do with me, I would also be very careful with your townie network and "trusted" detectives.

Note that my goal was to get rid of the good men. I wouldn't be too surprised if there would be a similar role out there to get rid of the men.

This is a role heavy game and as such it would be unwise to think this is just townie vs. mafia. It would also be a bad idea to assume that all investigators are necessarily pro-town.

I wouldn't be too surprised if the network of so-called "confirmed innocents" has already been infiltrated by the usurpers.

[pevergreen]

I wouldn't be too surprised if the network of so-called "confirmed innocents" has already been infiltrated by the usurpers.

The Netherworld complex.

A townie network, comprised of all the pro town roles, with the Serial Killer who can make his own mafia family, with the renegade mafia turncoat who can also create a new mafia family.

No one is safe.

[LittleGrizzly]

Townie Information Networks are a bad idea... especially when they go big scale... almost always end up infiltrated in the end...

Im intrested in your offer Andres... but TC raises a good point, what if we get to the last turn with one good man left, you could go against the town and kill him without retribution...

Also your a proven killer... who was going to keep killing until he got caught... why should you now get away with it because you don't want to die ?

Besides seen as you can only kill good men how much use could you be... we have limited numbers of good men left anyway...

[TinCow]

The Netherworld complex.

A townie network, comprised of all the pro town roles, with the Serial Killer who can make his own mafia family, with the renegade mafia turncoat who can also create a new mafia family.

No one is safe.

I think there's a second Netherworld complex as well. Something about not trusting a solo killer who has already killed 3 times and who claims he now wants to help the town with vigilante kills.

For the sake of conversation though, I'm curious to know who Andres think we should lynch in his stead and why.