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    But it can take ages to build an army...if we needed one quick, it could be a problem.
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    I see the problem and agree, that we should not have too many experienced soldiers in our armies.
    But to cheat armies, as it was proposed, is not realistic either. We would boost population in our cities, for when we cheat units, the citizens stay as many as they are, but if we disband these units, they got added to the population.
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    I suppose we could 'upgrade' units. If a unit of Hastati become veterans, we can disband them ingame, but use the console to create experienced Principes. Same step for Principes to Triarii, and maybe Leves to Hastati if they became wealthy or old enough whilst on campaign. That would mean our lower troops were recruited afresh regulary (after each campaign), but our more experienced soldiers remain, but in better equipement. Does this make sense to anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking View Post
    If we don't disband them, they will become overpowered killing machines because of how experience works for the game. It kills the joy and makes it too easy to win. I mean, if it's easy to win with the armies we have now, how easy isn't that with silver chevroned units, or even better ones?

    We really don't need that, the Roman campaign is easy enough without it anyway.
    jeeezus...getting so outta hand, as if we already dont have enough things that will require console use what with the family finances, events etc. TCV, you say that like in WotB we disband our armies??? They get experience all the time no one debates it there, i dont see how that is any different in BtSH. Im not saying its realistic, im sayin its practical. The legions stay, there are still going to be tough situations regardless of unit experience; we have much to expand to in the future.
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    I demand a vote!

    This is a demokratia!

    This is a res publica!

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    Really guys, in the end navarro is the guy who has to keep track of all these things, and if something like this will make the game a hassle instead of fun for him, Then you might as well start your own game. Its not fair to just say this is how it should be without thinking about the effort goes into getting this game running. so yeah go ahead and vote, on the settings for your own game.
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    this is his game

    This Is Navarro !




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    just kiddin ;-)
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    Delicious cake! I must have it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwissBarbar View Post
    this is his game

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    just kiddin ;-)
    I would say you have to much time on your hands, but ill just give you these instead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by navarro951 View Post
    jeeezus...getting so outta hand, as if we already dont have enough things that will require console use what with the family finances, events etc.
    Huh? How does disbanding units require console commands?

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    TCV, you say that like in WotB we disband our armies??? They get experience all the time no one debates it there, i dont see how that is any different in BtSH.
    Rome is the easiest faction in the game, and there's no challenge from the outside even without overpowered legions running around all over the place. With them you might as well just save time and force_diplomacy all the settlements right now.

    It's not quite the same with the AS, and so there's been no problem with this in WotB. The day there is, I will take it up there too.

    While I'm already writing, I might as well answer bean too...

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    Sounds a bit of a random test..is this for the army?
    Hell no. The army and I don't mix very well, because me and taking orders don't mix very well. I'm kind of an anarchist in that sense.

    This test was, by the way, not "random", but more "extensive" to check your general knowledges. It was also very exhausting on my mind. My head is dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking View Post
    This test was, by the way, not "random", but more "extensive" to check your general knowledges. It was also very exhausting on my mind. My head is dead.
    That would be like the States ASVAB test ya?

    and i meant console use as in the whole spawn new units to RP that they are now more experienced (hastati to principes and so on)...i think someone else raised this question not you my bad.
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    No worries then, mate.

    I've never heard of the ASVAB test before, but looking at it briefly on Wikipedia, I guess it's kinda like that, yeah. I just wish they hadn't started with the math and logic right in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Bean_ View Post
    But it can take ages to build an army...if we needed one quick, it could be a problem.
    That's just the point..We're playign ROME..

    the EASIEST faction in the game with an AI that's too retarded to mount a decent attack..

    Some ppl in here do want a game that throws challenges to us. But the AI alone won't present us challenges. That is why it is up to us, to allow the AI to catch us off guard..


    I have posted my 2 new rules in the Curia, so they're explained there.
    Navarro: the whole disband thing doesnt count for House Legions, only provincial legions.

    We now have 5 legions?

    Legio V is just created, they can serve a few sessions more.
    So Legio I & II may be disbanded now and recreated this sessions
    III & IV nex session etc..


    We dont have to do them all in 1 session.. Hell we surely do not do that.

    And it's not confusing or hard work for anyone.
    Just mention in the librabry or campus martius, which date the legion was created.
    12 years later: return to italy and disband + recreate.


    Concerning the merging thing: thats not hard either:
    legion commander requests a certain unit. CoF recruits it in the nearest possible city and ships the unit towards wherever the legion is (by normal transport means).
    Once the new unit arrived, the commander merges the unit and disbands the leftovers.

    Really, no big of deal.
    It creaties difficulties for us, agreed. But someone has to create them, the AI wont.
    And for now, you may think we are not rich enough. Which is fine, cuz we prolly aren't. BUT THAT GIVES US THE CHALLENGE to work with what we got.

    Besides, once we capture Greece, we're rolling in money and there will be even less challenge.


    For this I ask navarro to consider the rules. It's not about realism (well it's a nice bonus) but it's about creating a game which can offer us challenges and problems to conquer.


    If we don't, all we will do for the remainder of the game, is hold ellections and steamroll over Europe..

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    You want to disband the Legio II just as Epirus begins to counter attack? I'm afraid I cannot agree that legions should be disbanded during a war when no replacement force is sent to keep the area safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by _Bean_ View Post
    You want to disband the Legio II just as Epirus begins to counter attack? I'm afraid I cannot agree that legions should be disbanded during a war when no replacement force is sent to keep the area safe.
    technically, Beans right, its part of the rule i made anyway if you look at it. That Legions, after a period of 9 years (which im changing to 12) unless they are desperately needed on the front, are to return to an Italia city for a time of leave. A "rotation of command" will be used once they depart for campaign again.
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    "for a leave"

    Which is what certain people (I'm definetely not alone in this) would want to see changed into : disbanded and renewed.


    And Navarro: we look at it this way: the legion was send home, it was AFTER that, that the epeiros invasion begun.
    If you promise troops a discharge, then hold them in a city which is not their home (Tarentum is IC not their home) and then tell them they have to back to the front... That's askign for a mutiny.

    There is NOBODY saying the timing is perfect, nor even good.
    But we should find another solution for it, because now we're taking the easy way out.

    Let's leave the AI some advantages, please.
    Otherwise if we keep this up, we're going to steamroll the map.
    Money enough, legions enough and an AI unable to catch us offguard.

    If that's the game this is going to be, I'll bail out now and hope that the lotr follow up is any good.

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    Don't worry, my character is such a great speaker (according to his traits), that he could convince a state of ants march into the trunk of an anteater.

    With a great speech he could persuade the men of the necessity to go back to Epeiros. Since they earn more money in the Legion than at home they willingly followed the commander, aside whom they had fought many victorious battles, knowing that they would be recognised as heroes back home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mini View Post
    "for a leave"

    Which is what certain people (I'm definetely not alone in this) would want to see changed into : disbanded and renewed.


    And Navarro: we look at it this way: the legion was send home, it was AFTER that, that the epeiros invasion begun.
    If you promise troops a discharge, then hold them in a city which is not their home (Tarentum is IC not their home) and then tell them they have to back to the front... That's askign for a mutiny.

    There is NOBODY saying the timing is perfect, nor even good.
    But we should find another solution for it, because now we're taking the easy way out.

    Let's leave the AI some advantages, please.
    Otherwise if we keep this up, we're going to steamroll the map.
    Money enough, legions enough and an AI unable to catch us offguard.

    If that's the game this is going to be, I'll bail out now and hope that the lotr follow up is any good.

    psst Bologna! First of all, no more of this "there not in their home" crap. Who is any one here to say that ALL of those troops are only from Rome. In fact, cept for the triarii, most of them arent. The CoF does a pretty good job of utilizing every city for unit recruitment. Second, until a front is truly closed (epeiros is wiped out/ ceasefire is made) no order for them to be disbanded was given. The rule, nor orders, were given to discharge the men, only to give them a time of leave. They have now had 9 months of sitting around. They get a full year after this turn, and possibly more if there just sitting in illyria defending.

    Here is how it will play it out, after either a ceasefire or an annexation is made with Epeiros, then I will allow the decommissioning of Legio II, along with Legio I once Sicilia is taken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by navarro951 View Post
    psst Bologna! First of all, no more of this "there not in their home" crap. Who is any one here to say that ALL of those troops are only from Rome. In fact, cept for the triarii, most of them arent. The CoF does a pretty good job of utilizing every city for unit recruitment. Second, until a front is truly closed (epeiros is wiped out/ ceasefire is made) no order for them to be disbanded was given. The rule, nor orders, were given to discharge the men, only to give them a time of leave. They have now had 9 months of sitting around. They get a full year after this turn, and possibly more if there just sitting in illyria defending.

    Here is how it will play it out, after either a ceasefire or an annexation is made with Epeiros, then I will allow the decommissioning of Legio II, along with Legio I once Sicilia is taken.
    I am not saying you gave the order to disband, you already clarified that.

    I am also not saying that Legio II shouldnt be send back now.


    All that I am saying, is that from the next session onward, the 2 rules I posted in the curia, should be taken into account.

    So that in the future, when difficulties like this arise, it will be clear what to do.

    for example:

    somewhere during session 1 we create Legio A.
    Is it in the first half of 6 turns between session 1 and 2, this year will count, otherwise we start counting from session 2. (for the example, lets take turn 3 after the first session was concluded.)

    This would mean that:
    session 1: decision to create
    inbetween session 1 & 2 we create
    session 2: legion A now served 1 session
    Session 3: Legion now served 2 sessions
    Session 4: Legion now served 3 sessions and should be disbanded when save turn if frozen for congressional session 4


    This means that Legio A should during the 4th congressional session be disbanded.
    During congressional session 4 we can (and should) commission the legion A to be reformed.

    After 4th session is closed, we can create the new units for Legion A, and the cyclus repeats:
    session 4: created
    inbetween 4 and 5 we create
    session 5: 1st served
    session 6: second served
    session 7: 3rd served and disbanded when session 7 starts voting again.


    Only thing you need to do is:
    1) keep track of the last session of the legion (easily done in library)
    2) the old CoF will have to check and disband any legion whose 3 terms are over
    3) the newly elected CoF must create the new units for the legion


    It really isnt complicated.
    For the current situation, these rules aren't in effect, as the situation i described above will be osmething voted in the next session and therefore doesnt apply right now :)

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