Switzerland

[Jazzy]

PHA! Of course you mean besides slaughtering Habsburgs, defeating the number 1 military juggernaut in Europe, the Burgundians, getting independent from the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation, defeating the Swabians, invading Italy, mass slaughtering French, having a reputation of being unbeatable for 200 years, convincing the pope not to let himself being protected by anyone else than Swiss mercenaries, making kings of that age consider it impossible to win a battle without Swiss mercenaries, and when finally being closely defeated by a force superior in numbers and canons, still performing the first ordered retreat since antiquity...

The delicate position of the Old Swiss Confederation in the 18th century consisted in being financially dependant from the House of Bourbon on one side and on the other side not to be able to come to help their treaty partners in the Franche Compté, Alsac and Strassbourg when they were occupied by the French. The period of the Ancien Regime (18th century) was rich of cultural prosperity (enlightment) but politically they did not develop the necessary institution to real-time with the rising powers in their neighborhood and when they did it was too late because the institutions that had worked well through the Renaissance and during the Barock suddenly failed in 1798.

I would not reproach CA with not having the Swiss in a wargame focusing on the period of the Ancien Régime because it was beside the war of 1712 a peaceful and good period for them. - It's a chance for modders, to improve the range of topics of the game. I look forward and will support their efforts within the limits I have set to myself.

[SwissBarbar]

The delicate position of the Old Swiss Confederation in the 18th century consisted in being financially dependant from the House of Bourbon on one side and on the other side not to be able to come to help their treaty partners in the France Compte, Alsac and Strassbourg when they were occupied by the French. The period of the Ancien Regime (18th century) was rich of cultural prosperity (enlightment) but politically they did not develop the necessary institution to real-time with the rising powers in their neighborhood and when they did it was too late because the institutions that had worked well through the Renaissance and during the Barock suddenly failed in 1798.

I would not reproach CA with not having the Swiss in a wargame focusing on the period of the Ancien Régime because it was beside the war of 1712 a peaceful and good period for them. - It's a chance for modders, though.

Which doesn't mean that they never made it into the history books

[Jazzy]

Which doesn't mean that they never made it into the history books

Sure. 1798 brought also liberty to those who had no equal rights before and created within the following half of a century the Modern Swiss Confederation (1848). Besides, swiss regiments fought for the French in the Seven Years War, they fought for the Dutch and the British Crown in India and they were among the last to run away from the fields of the Beresina in Winter 1812. Still, Rousseau, Voltaire and Pestalozzi are far more important (only to mention a few).

[AussieGiant]

Well, it does seem slightly surprising because at the time they were still very well regarded as mercenaries.

Ah well, the conspiracies have been been funny to read.

It all seems like a storm in a tea cup.

[Subotan]

It all seems like a storm in a tea cup.

Yeah, but a very irritaiting teacup at that

I would not reproach CA with not having the Swiss in a wargame focusing on the period of the Ancien Régime because it was beside the war of 1712 a peaceful and good period for them.

So, because they didn't fight much, they shouldn't be included in the game

[antisocialmunky]

I dunno, atleast the Swiss fans can't complain about CA horribly butchering the Swiss. :-p

[Jazzy]

So, because they didn't fight much, they shouldn't be included in the game

There are a limited amount of slots for factions and they also wanted to release the game in time. Then the designers had to decide which were the relevant factions for the GC.
Indeed, some of the neighbors of the Old Swiss Confederation were certainly more in the history of events during the 18th century. Take the Duchy of Wurttemberg which was the main battleground between France and the Emperor, or Bavaria which was an ally of France during the Spanish Successor War and focus of the Bavarian Successor War, or take Piemont, Savoy smaller but still active participants in the political and military history of the period being important for the French and Austrians because they controlled the entrence to Italy.
CA has made a design-decision good for their GC scenario that's all. A civilwar like the one of 1712 in Switzerland is on a level of detail not in the focus of the game and the French invasion of 1798 is already close to the end of the GC as well as the battles of the Second War of Coalition (1789–1802) that were fought on the territory of the Helvetic Republic.

[Megas Methuselah]

It sounds more probable that CA was pressured into exempting the Swiss from the game.

[Jazzy]

... double post ...

[SwissBarbar]

It sounds more probable that CA was pressured into exempting the Swiss from the game.

by who?

[Subotan]

There are a limited amount of slots for factions and they also wanted to release the game in time. Then the designers had to decide which were the relevant factions for the GC.
Indeed, some of the neighbors of the Old Swiss Confederation were certainly more in the history of events during the 18th century. Take the Duchy of Wurttemberg which was the main battleground between France and the Emperor, or Bavaria which was an ally of France during the Spanish Successor War and focus of the Bavarian Successor War, or take Piemont, Savoy smaller but still active participants in the political and military history of the period being important for the French and Austrians because they controlled the entrence to Italy.
CA has made a design-decision good for their GC scenario that's all. A civilwar like the one of 1712 in Switzerland is on a level of detail not in the focus of the game and the French invasion of 1798 is already close to the end of the GC as well as the battles of the Second War of Coalition (1789–1802) that were fought on the territory of the Helvetic Republic.

There's 300 faction slots, and you can actually play them inb custom battles (They have a flag and everything)

by who?

That's what we're trying to find out, but CA isn't co-operating...

[KaLiMeRo168]

Switzerland is not in the game coz the Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is there, yes i know the biggest part is in France but only the Swiss part gone boom in my future!!!! & CA foresight that Switzerland will become a black hole! So there was no point to put a province/nation/whatever in the game that will go boom in my future^^.

Kalimero has spoken.