Switzerland

[Subotan]

Three theories are considered in the scientific society:

1. Matrix theory
The Confederation in the 18th c. was in reality occupied by aliens who blocked all borders. Therefore no real information exists over the country and her poor inhabitants. The reason for the black hole on the campaign map. What you see in the books and internet is only fake spread by the aliens.

Obviously, mind control is achieved through the cuckoo clocks :O

Seriously though, why? Come on CA, I doubt you've not seen this thread now.

If I have some money left, I'll buy the mentioned book and can give more informations to modders.

Awesome. How much is it?

[Jazzy]

Awesome. How much is it?

80 Swiss Franks (~ 72 $ before taxes etc.), if you order from the Army's Museum Shop. I'll try to fetch one in Mai or June.

[Subotan]

Wow.
Expensive :O

[Jazzy]

It contains (I guess) a lot of colored prints. That makes it expensive and it is hardcover, afaik.

[Subotan]

Nice. It would be cool if we could play as Switzerland, right CA?

[ELITEofWARMANGINGERYBREADMEN88]

I'm mad at CA for not having the Swiss in here. I still like a answer why they didn't stick them in here .

[SwissBarbar]

Yes, but there are plenty of other countries that are neutral which are in the game e.g. Ireland/Sweden. Also, the Swiss didn't officially become neutral until 1815.

EDIT: And I've never heard that to be the official reason. Any Swiss citizens here that can complain to the gov if this turns out to be true?

really never heard of something more funny than that. I'll write a letter

Why did "they" always stay neutral, never making it big into history books?

PHA! Of course you mean besides slaughtering Habsburgs, defeating the number 1 military juggernaut in Europe, the Burgundians, getting independent from the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation, defeating the Swabians, invading Italy, mass slaughtering French, having a reputation of being unbeatable for 200 years, convincing the pope not to let himself being protected by anyone else than Swiss mercenaries, making kings of that age consider it impossible to win a battle without Swiss mercenaries, and when finally being closely defeated by a force superior in numbers and canons, still performing the first ordered retreat since antiquity...

[Jazzy]

PHA! Of course you mean besides slaughtering Habsburgs, defeating the number 1 military juggernaut in Europe, the Burgundians, getting independent from the Holy Roman Empire of the German nation, defeating the Swabians, invading Italy, mass slaughtering French, having a reputation of being unbeatable for 200 years, convincing the pope not to let himself being protected by anyone else than Swiss mercenaries, making kings of that age consider it impossible to win a battle without Swiss mercenaries, and when finally being closely defeated by a force superior in numbers and canons, still performing the first ordered retreat since antiquity...

The delicate position of the Old Swiss Confederation in the 18th century consisted in being financially dependant from the House of Bourbon on one side and on the other side not to be able to come to help their treaty partners in the Franche Compté, Alsac and Strassbourg when they were occupied by the French. The period of the Ancien Regime (18th century) was rich of cultural prosperity (enlightment) but politically they did not develop the necessary institution to real-time with the rising powers in their neighborhood and when they did it was too late because the institutions that had worked well through the Renaissance and during the Barock suddenly failed in 1798.

I would not reproach CA with not having the Swiss in a wargame focusing on the period of the Ancien Régime because it was beside the war of 1712 a peaceful and good period for them. - It's a chance for modders, to improve the range of topics of the game. I look forward and will support their efforts within the limits I have set to myself.

[SwissBarbar]

The delicate position of the Old Swiss Confederation in the 18th century consisted in being financially dependant from the House of Bourbon on one side and on the other side not to be able to come to help their treaty partners in the France Compte, Alsac and Strassbourg when they were occupied by the French. The period of the Ancien Regime (18th century) was rich of cultural prosperity (enlightment) but politically they did not develop the necessary institution to real-time with the rising powers in their neighborhood and when they did it was too late because the institutions that had worked well through the Renaissance and during the Barock suddenly failed in 1798.

I would not reproach CA with not having the Swiss in a wargame focusing on the period of the Ancien Régime because it was beside the war of 1712 a peaceful and good period for them. - It's a chance for modders, though.

Which doesn't mean that they never made it into the history books

[Jazzy]

Which doesn't mean that they never made it into the history books

Sure. 1798 brought also liberty to those who had no equal rights before and created within the following half of a century the Modern Swiss Confederation (1848). Besides, swiss regiments fought for the French in the Seven Years War, they fought for the Dutch and the British Crown in India and they were among the last to run away from the fields of the Beresina in Winter 1812. Still, Rousseau, Voltaire and Pestalozzi are far more important (only to mention a few).

[AussieGiant]

Well, it does seem slightly surprising because at the time they were still very well regarded as mercenaries.

Ah well, the conspiracies have been been funny to read.

It all seems like a storm in a tea cup.

[Subotan]

It all seems like a storm in a tea cup.

Yeah, but a very irritaiting teacup at that

I would not reproach CA with not having the Swiss in a wargame focusing on the period of the Ancien Régime because it was beside the war of 1712 a peaceful and good period for them.

So, because they didn't fight much, they shouldn't be included in the game

[antisocialmunky]

I dunno, atleast the Swiss fans can't complain about CA horribly butchering the Swiss. :-p

[Jazzy]

So, because they didn't fight much, they shouldn't be included in the game

There are a limited amount of slots for factions and they also wanted to release the game in time. Then the designers had to decide which were the relevant factions for the GC.
Indeed, some of the neighbors of the Old Swiss Confederation were certainly more in the history of events during the 18th century. Take the Duchy of Wurttemberg which was the main battleground between France and the Emperor, or Bavaria which was an ally of France during the Spanish Successor War and focus of the Bavarian Successor War, or take Piemont, Savoy smaller but still active participants in the political and military history of the period being important for the French and Austrians because they controlled the entrence to Italy.
CA has made a design-decision good for their GC scenario that's all. A civilwar like the one of 1712 in Switzerland is on a level of detail not in the focus of the game and the French invasion of 1798 is already close to the end of the GC as well as the battles of the Second War of Coalition (1789–1802) that were fought on the territory of the Helvetic Republic.

[Megas Methuselah]

It sounds more probable that CA was pressured into exempting the Swiss from the game.

[Jazzy]

... double post ...

[SwissBarbar]

It sounds more probable that CA was pressured into exempting the Swiss from the game.

by who?

[Subotan]

There are a limited amount of slots for factions and they also wanted to release the game in time. Then the designers had to decide which were the relevant factions for the GC.
Indeed, some of the neighbors of the Old Swiss Confederation were certainly more in the history of events during the 18th century. Take the Duchy of Wurttemberg which was the main battleground between France and the Emperor, or Bavaria which was an ally of France during the Spanish Successor War and focus of the Bavarian Successor War, or take Piemont, Savoy smaller but still active participants in the political and military history of the period being important for the French and Austrians because they controlled the entrence to Italy.
CA has made a design-decision good for their GC scenario that's all. A civilwar like the one of 1712 in Switzerland is on a level of detail not in the focus of the game and the French invasion of 1798 is already close to the end of the GC as well as the battles of the Second War of Coalition (1789–1802) that were fought on the territory of the Helvetic Republic.

There's 300 faction slots, and you can actually play them inb custom battles (They have a flag and everything)

by who?

That's what we're trying to find out, but CA isn't co-operating...

[KaLiMeRo168]

Switzerland is not in the game coz the Large Hadron Collider(LHC) is there, yes i know the biggest part is in France but only the Swiss part gone boom in my future!!!! & CA foresight that Switzerland will become a black hole! So there was no point to put a province/nation/whatever in the game that will go boom in my future^^.

Kalimero has spoken.

[Subotan]

Excellent, truly excellent observation. Balloon for you.

[Jazzy]

For those who are interested in modding a swiss faction, I have put some datas and simple analysis together about the forces of the Old République de Berne in 1721 and after 1770 til 1798. It's the last post in my thread:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...59#post2216159

Thank you for your attention

[Megas Methuselah]

For those who are interested in modding a swiss faction, I have but some datas and simple analysis together about the forces of the Old République de Berne in 1721 and after 1770 til 1798. It's the last post in my thread:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...59#post2216159

Thank you for your attention

There already is a Swiss faction. All you have to do is give them a territory.

[Discoman]

Maybe the unlocking of Switzerland will be a stand alone expansion pack or downloadable content.

I can see it now, "ETW: Swiss Invasion". Feeling gipped that Switzerland has been cutting corners and delivering cheese that's full of holes, the nations of Europe have now set their sights on the mountainous and luxurious regions- I mean region of Switzerland.
Game features include :
-Battles will come alive with sounds of cannons, bagpipes (or not), trumpets, drums (when they choose to work), and cuckoo clocks.
-Realistic diplomacy that doesn't allow Switzerland to declare war and can only sit around while all the other factions have fun.
-All new graphics. Now added are the alps, mountains.... uh did I already mention the alps? Who the hell knows, maybe we'll add some cows for scenery.
All for the price of 40 dollars!
Pre-order today and you'll get Swiss pikemen, only useful in the first 10 turns of the game.

[Jazzy]

There already is a Swiss faction. All you have to do is give them a territory.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showth...59#post2216159

The purpose of my thread here in the Org is to support those who are interested in questions of the composition of regiments and those who look to alter db files to get more realistic number sizes for infantry batallions. I plan to provide in the future also datas to uniforms for those factions where you can't easily find information on the web, e.g. Swiss, Italien and smaller German factions. I myself do not plan to make a mod by my own because that takes too much time.