Just how messed up is Israel?

**Incongruous** · 04-08-2009, 12:58

Originally Posted by Fragony

Yes it is of no consequence for what Hamas is, religious facists. Did you think all this started with the sixth day war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xi7GdviIsjQ

Um, no, it started with al-nakba.

**Fragony** · 04-08-2009, 13:09

Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar

Um, no, it started with al-nakba.

hear it from the good man himself, Fitna +/- 3:10

what a peach, I guess he was a visionary and saw al-nakba even before it happened

http://middleeastfacts.com/weblog/is...s-before-1948/

^- so did they apparantly

So did the Hebron butchers, and many many more.

**Dutch_guy** · 04-08-2009, 15:58

How and where the violence started in a conflict raging about 2000 years is silly and pointless.

**Fragony** · 04-08-2009, 16:03

Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

a conflict raging about 2000 years

**Hax** · 04-08-2009, 16:07

I think his point is that the mess in Palestina is going around for about 2,000 years.

**Hooahguy** · 04-08-2009, 16:16

in the spirit of passover, Hamas sends regards

**KarlXII** · 04-09-2009, 22:52

Originally Posted by hooahguy

in the spirit of passover, Hamas sends regards

That's an....interesting signature you got there....

**Fragony** · 04-08-2009, 16:17

Originally Posted by Hax

I think his point is that the mess in Palestina is going around for about 2,000 years.

5000 years if you include the Babylon captivity, 2000 is kinda hard anyway since the prophet was born in 570, but this particular conflict, 80 years or so.

**rvg** · 04-08-2009, 20:23

Originally Posted by Bopa the Magyar

Um, no, it started with al-nakba.

nakba-shmakba, arabs attacked jews. arabs got whipped really bad. Israelis of course, exploit their victory to the max and act with utmost brutality. Their's a reason for it though, they have nowhere to go, it's israel or death. Now arabs lament over nakba. Instead of doing that, they should have allowed the palestinian refugees to integrate, but no, nobody except Jordan did that. So we still have people lingering in refugee camps 60 years after the war. Nakba. 67, same deal. It's like 1948 never happened and nobody learned anything from that failure. Once again, arabs get whipped real bad. Generated more refugees, lost more land. Nakba.

Nakba came to be largely because of the utter refusal on the arab side to negotiate a fair partition of palestine pre-48. Yes, Israel's policies are in many ways despicable, and it is most definitely not a democratic state, but in this conflict nobody is innocent.