Just how messed up is Israel?

[Hax]

Hamas is recognized as a terrorist organization by a huge variety of nations, and should be treated as such by Orgahs if it was displayed in a signature. If you want a Palestinian flag, so be it, that is no different than having any other flag in your signature.

Oh yes, and all of Israels actions were perfectly legit by all standards in the past.

I'll let someone else rip this apart...

Interesting, I just saw a Dutch documentary which showed a spring that had been completely blown to pieces by the Israelis. That spring irrigated 5 fields. Is Hamas now using the earth against Israel? How about the destruction of the planned harbour of Gaza?

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Oh yes, and all of Israels actions were perfectly legit by all standards in the past.

Of course they weren't. There is not a country in the world, from Liechtenstein to the United States, that can claim to be perfectly legitimate. However, there is a difference between a legitimate state and a terrorist organization.

When even the EU calls Hamas terrorists, you can be pretty sure that they are.

Interesting, I just saw a Dutch documentary which showed a spring that had been completely blown to pieces by the Israelis. That spring irrigated 5 fields.

I have not seen the documentary in question, and as a result I do not know why the spring was bombed, where it was located, when it was bombed, or who was using it. I could also not identify the spin in the documentary. Regardless, you can be sure that Israel did not bomb it for fun. Bombs cost too much money to do that.

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

Every state has problems, and Israel certainly does as well, but to say that it is "messed up", which is apparently proven by the fact that we are "having these discussions" is silly. If Israel was "messed up", and that was proven, then there wouldn't be two sides to these arguments.

[Hax]

I have not seen the documentary in question, and as a result I do not know why the spring was bombed, where it was located, when it was bombed, or who was using it. I could also not identify the spin in the documentary. Regardless, you can be sure that Israel did not bomb it for fun. Bombs cost too much money to do that.

Yes, and incidentally, as soon as the Israelis start to bomb something, the European nations will jump in and give them money to rebuilt the stuff they just bombed. Also, doesn't the state of Israel receive millions if not billions of dollars each year from the United States. It's not really as if they have to be careful with their money.

Too bad. The Israeli's blew those up too.

Aww, man. That's a shame.

[Pannonian]

I think it's safe to say that Israel as a state is fairly messed up, otherwise we wouldn't be having these discussions.

By Middle East standards, Israel is as westernised as they get. By western standards, Israel is an alien country. It depends on what standards one judges Israel by. Probably as good an ally as one can find in the region for our interests, but certainly not something to model a western country on.