I laugh in the face of White Supremacist groups

[Crazed Rabbit]

Every racist group capable of harming others begins with one person, then a small group. None of them are insignificant... they are all a threat to human progress.

A threat, maybe, potentially, but these sort of groups still are insignificant. This one used to be large. Now it's a couple of guys in Idaho.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

A threat, maybe, potentially, but these sort of groups still are insignificant. This one used to be large. Now it's a couple of guys in Idaho.

CR

A single white supremacist can commit a hate crime. 2 or 3 can cause significant damage to a community. A small, small gang can terrorize a community.

Insignificant to the nation's security as a whole... MAYBE. Insignificant to any non-whites living around there? I think not.

If I were jewish, living in a small community, and there was a group, albeit a small one, marching in pro-Nazi demonstrations, I'd fear for my family, and I'd be dismayed at the lack of backlash against them and the apathy towards them and the tacit support people show by defending them or doing nothing.

[Crazed Rabbit]

A single white supremacist can commit a hate crime. 2 or 3 can cause significant damage to a community. A small, small gang can terrorize a community.

Bah. What have these people done? They distributed leaflets so more people would apply for their special club and decoder ring. Your talk of communities being terrorized is hyperbole.

This group is insignificant. Let me know if they do anything of which you warn.

I'd be dismayed at the lack of backlash against them and the apathy towards them and the tacit support people show by defending them or doing nothing.

What do you mean, doing nothing? This is America, where even jerks and bigots can express their opinions freely.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

Bah. What have these people done? They distributed leaflets so more people would apply for their special club and decoder ring. Your talk of communities being terrorized is hyperbole.

This group is insignificant. Let me know if they do anything of which you warn.

Well, I'm sure someone else can give you a bunch of links to hate crimes committed in America by hate groups like these. How many murders must happen before you consider it a possibility that they might strike again?

What do you mean, doing nothing? This is America, where even jerks and bigots can express their opinions freely.

Of course; by terrorizing communities, spreading vicious lies about black people, encouraging racial hatred and spreading ignorance, they are exercising their rights as an American. And I am doing the same, by denouncing their worthless drivel as being harmful to America.

Lovely how that works. The same freedom they use to abuse is the freedom I use to stand up to those bullies.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Of course; by terrorizing communities, spreading vicious lies about black people, encouraging racial hatred and spreading ignorance, they are exercising their rights as an American. And I am doing the same, by denouncing their worthless drivel as being harmful to America.

Lovely how that works. The same freedom they use to abuse is the freedom I use to stand up to those bullies.

It is better that they express their opinions to the public, where they can be laughed at and ridiculed by citizens like yourself. If they didn't have the right to speak up (and we didn't have the right to ridicule them), I think their movement would be much larger than it is now, because they would silently build.

[Askthepizzaguy]

It is better that they express their opinions to the public, where they can be laughed at and ridiculed by citizens like yourself. If they didn't have the right to speak up (and we didn't have the right to ridicule them), I think their movement would be much larger than it is now, because they would silently build.

Indeed! I wholeheartedly agree!

I would never begin to act to take away their right to say such awful things. However, once their silly viewpoint has been made public, I believe wholeheartedly that a counter-demonstration, with about a thousand times more people, would show them and the world how little we think of their viewpoint, and how much we celebrate racial equality, tolerance, and the betterment of mankind as a whole.

Freedom of speech: it is the sunlight which drives away those that fester in darkness.

[Xiahou]

I laugh in the face of White Supremacist groups

Congrats?
What's the point of this thread anyway?

[Askthepizzaguy]

Congrats?
What's the point of this thread anyway?

Talking about the re-emergence of a white supremacist group in Idaho and discussing the article related to it, and other topics relating to white supremacy in general, and racism. So far we've had a healthy debate and an interesting discussion.

No less relevant than any other thread in the back.

[KarlXII]

Talking about the re-emergence of a white supremacist group in Idaho and discussing the article related to it, and other topics relating to white supremacy in general, and racism. So far we've had a healthy debate and an interesting discussion.

No less relevant than any other thread in the back.

Count us lucky the truth is not whitewashed, as this would turn into a very pale situation.

[Vuk]

Black Panthers, Aryan Nations, all the same. They attract insecure and hateful people.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Black Panthers, Aryan Nations, all the same. They attract insecure and hateful people.

Seconded.

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well, I'm sure someone else can give you a bunch of links to hate crimes committed in America by hate groups like these. How many murders must happen before you consider it a possibility that they might strike again?

How many murders has this group committed? Any? Or, actually, any hate groups across the country recently?

When you say 'groups like these' you reveal that this group is insignificant - what I said in the first place- because you are forced to reference other groups in order to provide support to your argument that this and similar hate groups are dangerous.

Lovely how that works. The same freedom they use to abuse is the freedom I use to stand up to those bullies.

Standing up is a bit much to describe your actions; you've made fun of them on the internet. That's it. Usually, I think standing up to someone requires them actually being at least slightly aware of your actions.

CR

[Askthepizzaguy]

How many murders has this group committed? Any? Or, actually, any hate groups across the country recently? When you say 'groups like these' you reveal that this group is insignificant - what I said in the first place- because you are forced to reference other groups in order to provide support to your argument that this and similar hate groups are dangerous. Standing up is a bit much to describe your actions; you've made fun of them on the internet. That's it. Usually, I think standing up to someone requires them actually being at least slightly aware of your actions. CR

Well ya got me. Speaking out against hate groups who spread vile ignorance against entire races of people makes me both a coward and a bad human being.

I concede to your superior argument.

[Fragony]

flagwaving loonies, all bravoure just ignore them.

[HoreTore]

Bah. What have these people done? They distributed leaflets so more people would apply for their special club and decoder ring. Your talk of communities being terrorized is hyperbole.

Now, as I have no idea what "Aryan Nation" is up to, I can't really comment on what they're doing.

But our own brands of neo-nazi are quite the active chaps. No-one forgets Benjamin Hermansen, who was killed a few years ago by a small gang of Nazi's, for the simple reason that he was african. I can't remember if they were looking for a random african to kill, or if they decided to kill when they saw Benjamin.

One death may not sound like all that much, but remember that this is in a tiny country with ome 50 murders per year...

Aside from that, they're very busy terrorizing asylums and the tiny Jewish community in Oslo. One of their most despicable hobbies is to terrorize one particular asylum(can't remember its name atm), where all the occupants are orphans. Can you imagine that? A 10 year old who just saw his mother raped and father killed in Afghanistan, for example, comes there thinking he's finally safe, and then some decides to shoot randomly into the complex. One thing is when you attack adults, it's something else when you attack children, and just plain evil when you attack vulnerable children like these.

[Fragony]

What is it with scandinavian that they all want to be the most racist country. One racist murder wow, that is one more then we have had here so far.

[HoreTore]

What is it with scandinavian that they all want to be the most racist country. One racist murder wow, that is one more then we have had here so far.

Wanting to be the most racists country? No.... I don't think these groups "represent" my country in any way... They are small groups of nutters, but they are quite capable of causing trouble.

Further, I don't think we're very racists at all. And I think the reason for that is that we focus strongly on it when it does happen, and are very good at voicing our objections to it.

[Vuk]

Wanting to be the most racists country? No.... I don't think these groups "represent" my country in any way... They are small groups of nutters, but they are quite capable of causing trouble.

Further, I don't think we're very racists at all. And I think the reason for that is that we focus strongly on it when it does happen, and are very good at voicing our objections to it.

You Scandinavians are the most racist race in the world! I hate your racist race of racists you racist racist!

[Husar]

I find this thread very offensive.

Please remove comments meant to make fun of members of societies

[Vuk]

I find this thread very offensive.

Please remove comments meant to make fun of members of societies

Sorry, I am just an uncouth redneck.
I will place a smilie in to help those sofisticated and enlightened members of society realise that my post was a joke.

[Fragony]

Further, I don't think we're very racists at all. And I think the reason for that is that we focus strongly on it when it does happen, and are very good at voicing our objections to it.

Making an elephant out of a mosquito as we say here. Neo-nazi's are disgusting but nobody takes them seriously here. Not to say that these fruitcakes who harass orphans don't deserve a very thourough beating, idiots.

[Vuk]

Making an elephant out of a mosquito as we say here.

You can do that?
Remind me never to underestimate Dutch science again...

PS, why has this not caused the legal ivory business to explode? Is it an expensive procedure?

[Fragony]

You can do that?

Of course we can we are white we can do everything thora-boy

[Vuk]

Of course we can we are white we can do everything thora-boy

Sweet! Sign me up! Where do I go to get my white surgery?

[rajpoot]

All I'd like to do here is second what Jolt said........wherever do these chaps get their Aryan ancestors from?
Granted the Aryans originated somewhere in Asia minor, but most migrated across the mountains into India. The people in the Mahabharata and Ramayana are the original Aryans.
The fact that nitwits who consider themselves better than others just because they say they're pure Aryans, is very distressing.

[Fragony]

Sweet! Sign me up! Where do I go to get my white surgery?

watch this 3 times, tada. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QAlt4Sfl7Q Courtesy of orger who's name I can't come up with.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I seem to recall someone once saying something about an argument being built upon sand; and the other one said that sand is better than nothing at all... In this case, your argument is once again built upon no evidence, and no reasoning that I can see. A vast amount of evidence, research, and reasoning has gone into the question of blaming genes for our behavior. But the fact is while genes may help form the brain, so does the environment, and unless the brain is absolutely dead, people have control over their actions, and can freely choose.

Genes + experience = behaviour in any given situation. That's how most scientists see it nowadays isn't it? My argument isn't based on sand, I'm pretty sure you accept that our genes and our experiences influence our behaviour as well. The difference is you think there is something that allows us to choose how we act, as if every single electric signal that flickers through our brain was not an inevitable result of the previous one, and the pattern they form determines what we do. I see no reason to believe that some supernatural force gives us free will by overruling the biological machine that is our brain.

Even a certain God people believe in allows for free will. So does science. You're curiously arguing against it, even though you yourself have said that faith is a choice.

Actually, I don't, I've argued many a time with Philipvs Vallidervs Caligvla on this issue.

Your argument is undermined by your own argument, and as such, there is no better rebuttal than your own words. If you'll excuse me, I'd like to take a break from this one for a little while, because (a) we won't make any progress (b) I think you've effectively defeated yourself and (c) I do find the defense of racists to be a little upsetting, and as such, I take my leave and will ponder things quietly without saying things that might offend people.

I think you just took what you thought to be one of my arguments from another thread, misunderstood it, then lumped it into this one and said I'm contradicting myself.

[rory_20_uk]

Get on a bus in London. Doesn't really matter which one. Wait. Get off the bus. I'm sure you've met enough moronic whites to join the Black Panthers.

[Vuk]

watch this 3 times, tada. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QAlt4Sfl7Q Courtesy of orger who's name I can't come up with.

If that is white, then no thank you. I think I will stay a mongrel. :P

[Crazed Rabbit]

Well ya got me. Speaking out against hate groups who spread vile ignorance against entire races of people makes me both a coward and a bad human being.

I concede to your superior argument.

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Congratulations sir, you have constructed a strawman! And what a strawman it is! You win the weekly strawman contest and are hereby awarded a coupon redeemable for $.50 off your next purchase of bread at your local Wal-Mart.

Now, as I have no idea what "Aryan Nation" is up to, I can't really comment on what they're doing.

But our own brands of neo-nazi are quite the active chaps. No-one forgets Benjamin Hermansen, who was killed a few years ago by a small gang of Nazi's, for the simple reason that he was african. I can't remember if they were looking for a random african to kill, or if they decided to kill when they saw Benjamin.

Here they used to have a compound or some buildings in North Idaho before they lost it all in a lawsuit. They used to go on marches where everyone booed them. Certainly nothing of what you describe.

Now they're even more pathetic. Probably only a few guys who printed up some leaflets and distributed them, with a very old school website.

CR