Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[Beskar]

Note to self: Don't ever mention anything about roles before the game has even started where it is impossible for you to know. Others try to pin things on you when you done nothing wrong to try to make themselves look clean.

I will only find out after the game, but I bet Mafia-roles voted for me. I can put money on it.

*Crosses fingers that some one has a special ability like the Doctor-role to save the poor innocent me.*

[LittleGrizzly]

Can I just say how great our 3 possible lynchs are...

Tib for things he said before he recieved his role.... he was talking like someone who was about to recieve a mafia role obviously...

Glenn for the accent... or being pished...

Or ATPG because.... well he's ATPG... he did then make a comment about wanting more people to challenge... but that could be purely self preservation... which isn't nessecarily scummy...

[Beskar]

Problem is, I am dreading those who don't understand sarcasm. Like a comment when some one painted a bulleyes on themselves and me going "I wonder what your role is..." = means "role-fishing" is retarded.

[pevergreen]

Lynch ATPG.

Unvote:...wait naaah.

[Death is yonder]

Vote: Abstain

Master says it is bad to lynch on day 1 simply because of randomness, but master also says voting those who behave suspiciously with good evidence is fine.

[Beskar]

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach



Abstain 17

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Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder
Beaver
Louis VI the Fat

[Csargo]

*accidently posted, feel free to delete*

What was here before you edited Tiberius?

pever your not making much sense.

[pevergreen]

I should probably start making some, or i'll get round one lynched.


Again.

Unvote: Ichigo, Vote: ATPG
Sorry mate, this game is going to be big enough, I dont want to wade through 5 pages of ATPG.

[Beskar]

@Ichigo:
Accident:double posted. I turned it into a table of current score now. I would be lying if I said I want people who haven't voted to vote for those with the three votes and not me, so I can actually have a chance to surrive this round and not get lynched for stupid reasons. I would like to get mafia-killed or lynched near the end, so at least I am here for the juicy bits.

@pevergreen:
Just added your change to the table. Just for reference

[Chimpyang]

vote Chimpyang

Too much of an excuse to just post.

I'm sorry, whaaaat?

That sounds like an excuse to get a vote in for someone. Thus avoiding the FoS from simpy abstaining and also from WoG.

Unvote : Abstain
Vote : FactionHeir

[Csargo]

@Ichigo:
Accident:double posted. I turned it into a table of current score now. I would be lying if I said I want people who haven't voted to vote for those with the three votes and not me, so I can actually have a chance to surrive this round and not get lynched for stupid reasons. I would like to get mafia-killed or lynched near the end, so at least I am here for the juicy bits.

@pevergreen:
Just added your change to the table. Just for reference

There's a 7 minute difference between your posts. Double posts are usually together and posted pretty much at the same time. I'm confused.

[Beskar]

Tabbed browsing and short-term memory. I would have just pressed "delete post" as usually, you can do that on forums if you do it within a minute or when no one has replied, so would have removed it.

[Captain Blackadder]

Vote Abstain there are way too many players for me to see with any confidance a lynch target.

[Csargo]

Tabbed browsing and short-term memory. I would have just pressed "delete post" as usually, you can do that on forums if you do it within a minute or when no one has replied, so would have removed it.

Okay.

Vote Abstain there are way too many players for me to see with any confidance a lynch target.

What do you think about Tiberius? Or Glenn?

[Louis VI the Fat]

Killed (3):
Khazaar
spL1tp3r50nal1ty
Lord Winter

Two innocents(?). One geisha (Lord Winter). Hmmm...


The geisha is troubling. Killing a geisha on night one seems no mere luck. Lord Winter, is there anything you can tell us? Has anybody with knowledge about LW's role shared anything to anybody?

The two (presumed) innocent samurais - why were they picked? Some thoughts:

The 'mafia' are experienced. They would choose not to kill the best mafia hunters, these will be protected. So the choice targets would be experienced players without absolute leet-skillz.
I don't play a lot of mafia. Are Khazaar and spL1tp3r50nal1ty known players? If they are, this would point to a particular reason for their kill, instead of mere randomness. Why were they targeted?

Or, scenario two, the 'mafia' are unexperienced. So they chose their targets either at random, or because they know them. Either from other mafia games, or from other .org activities. Khazaar and spL1tp3r50nal1ty, do either of you have some suspicion? Does anybody know whom Khazaar and spL1tp3r50nal1ty hang out with?
Did you talk to anybody?


I have no particular FoS or vote. As of yet.

Vote: abstain.


Please update and then copy-past the tally when you make a vote. In a huge mafia game, it helps to make the game much more manageable for other players.

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TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach



Abstain 15

Louis VI the Fat
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder

[Beaver]

Vote: Abstain as there's really nothing to go on.

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TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach



Abstain 16

Beaver
Louis VI the Fat
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder

[Reenk Roink]

Master has told me to exalt his name publicly. I humbly serve my sensei LittleGrizzly.

[Khazaar]

Well, good theories really. First off I posted my character name (stupid!)who isn´t random at all but a real Samurai. That might have been cause to take me out which would point to someone very observant/knowledgable about japan history. Ii Naomasa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ii_Naomasa
Otherwise I come from the totalwar.net site and I´m not really experienced. Players that I remember are Captain Blackadder, Beefy, ATPG, Thermal Mercury.

Obviously this could be used to lead people off track but anyway. Use this info as you like...

[Csargo]

Vote: Abstain as there's really nothing to go on.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

TiberiusBeskar 4 Sasaki Kojiro, White Eyes:D, Husar, Crazed Rabbit

Glenn 3 A Very Super Market, Northnovas, KukriKhan
Sasaki Kojiro 3 Shinseikhaan, TiberiusBeskar, Ichigo
ATPG 3 shin28.TinCow, pevergreen

factionheir 2 woad&fangs, Chimpyang

Ibn-Khaldun 1 Haudegen
Beefy 1 GeneralHankerchief
Chimpyang 1 Factionheir
Ichigo 1 AggonyDuck
KukriKhan 1 glyphz
The Spartan 1 The Spartan
White Eyes:D 1 LittleGrizzly
woad&fangs 1 CountArach



Abstain 16

Beaver
Louis VI the Fat
Gregoshi
Jolt
RenkRoink
Caius El Diablo
taka
Gobbledygook
Ignoramus
Iskander III
ajaxfetish
Seamus Fermanagh
Quintus.JC
Death is yonder
Captain Blackadder

There's a write-up and about 7 pages of posts. What more do you need?

[Chimpyang]

Random.org says Vote: woad&fangs

I have 3 pages of reading to do now, which I shall get to right away. If anything catches my eye I'll comment.

And after the recent affair where scum was lynched day 1 I will remind people that abstaining on day 1 is a bad idea.

Plus, our master - the one defined "good guy" has called upon us to vote. Use the abstain as a holder - but vote! Now try to picture that in a non-infomercial way.

[TinCow]

I think some people are too happy to enter challenges. Given that winning a duel increases the power, I´d think it´s a viable mafia strategy to bolster up their duelling ability by beating up some samurais and then challenge Lord Takeda himself.

Really? Care to explain how you know that, given the rules say nothing about it...

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II. Duel System.


During the day phase, next to voting, you also have the opportunity to challenge another player to a duel.

If you wish to challenge another player, then you have to do so in this format:

Challenge: Andres

Challenged do not need to be accepted and they cannot be withdrawn; so if A challenges B, then the A vs. B duel will be put on the list of challenges of that given round.

Only the first 4 challenges will be considered. The host will use random.org to pick one of the enlisted challenges.

A player can only challenge one other player each round. Being challenged however, does not mean that you cannot challenge yourself.

To make it clear: A challenges B. A vs. B will be put on the challenge list. A can no longer challenge another player until the next round. B however can still challenge any other player, including A.

The duels will be narrated at the end of the night write-up (the duels take place at the hour of the Rabbit (sunrise), before the new round of voting starts).

The duels are fought to the dead. However, it is technically possible for the duel to end in a draw. If such is the case, either both combattants will die or both will survive.

Every role will get a battle rating that will determine how good your role is at duelling. The outcome of the duel will be decided by rolling dice and luck is involved; which means that even the most insignificant samurai stands a change to defeat a master.

- this duel system was inspired by the Midgard Saga I & II, by Sigurd to whom I owe a very big thank you for sending me his excel sheet

[Reenk Roink]

Really? Care to explain how you know that, given the rules say nothing about it...

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

II. Duel System.


During the day phase, next to voting, you also have the opportunity to challenge another player to a duel.

If you wish to challenge another player, then you have to do so in this format:

Challenge: Andres

Challenged do not need to be accepted and they cannot be withdrawn; so if A challenges B, then the A vs. B duel will be put on the list of challenges of that given round.

Only the first 4 challenges will be considered. The host will use random.org to pick one of the enlisted challenges.

A player can only challenge one other player each round. Being challenged however, does not mean that you cannot challenge yourself.

To make it clear: A challenges B. A vs. B will be put on the challenge list. A can no longer challenge another player until the next round. B however can still challenge any other player, including A.

The duels will be narrated at the end of the night write-up (the duels take place at the hour of the Rabbit (sunrise), before the new round of voting starts).

The duels are fought to the dead. However, it is technically possible for the duel to end in a draw. If such is the case, either both combattants will die or both will survive.

Every role will get a battle rating that will determine how good your role is at duelling. The outcome of the duel will be decided by rolling dice and luck is involved; which means that even the most insignificant samurai stands a change to defeat a master.

- this duel system was inspired by the Midgard Saga I & II, by Sigurd to whom I owe a very big thank you for sending me his excel sheet

It was based closely off Sigurd's system (more closely than mine) and Andres confirmed.

edit: actually, maybe not... I think it it still will though

[Chimpyang]

Yes, that is possible.
Originally Posted by The Spartan (Returns) View Post
If you defeat someone with a higher battle rating, is it possible for your own rating to increase?

Given that response - but then they'd need to challenge known betters.

[Beskar]

Remember rule 1 and rule 45 -

1. Always vote for Sasaki
45. If mafia, don't kill Sasaki. He's probably on your side, somehow.

That means, Sasaki is Mafia and people who don't vote for him are Mafia.

[Louis VI the Fat]

Well, good theories really. First off I posted my character name (stupid!)who isn´t random at all but a real Samurai. That might have been cause to take me out which would point to someone very observant/knowledgable about japan history. Ii Naomasa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ii_Naomasa
Otherwise I come from the totalwar.net site and I´m not really experienced. Players that I remember are Captain Blackadder, Beefy, ATPG, Thermal Mercury.

Obviously this could be used to lead people off track but anyway. Use this info as you like...

Good info, thanks. Sorry that you had to leave the game so soon.

I note that you hardly posted anything in this thread to make you particular killworthy.
Sometimes what appears random really is random. Even the 'mafia' sometimes just has to pick some names from the list.

Or not. Captain Blackadder, Beefy, ATPG, Thermal Mercury - what say you to your names having been being mentioned?

[Csargo]

Louis your link leads me no where.

[CountArach]

Why do people persist with abstaining in the first round? We have gotten lucky in the past with a random lynch, who is to say it will not happen again? A complete lack of conversation just lets the mafia win. Voting absatin leads to a lack of conversation. Ergo, voting abstain lets the mafia win.

[TinCow]

It was based closely off Sigurd's system (more closely than mine) and Andres confirmed.

edit: actually, maybe not... I think it it still will though

I have read through every single post Andres has made. He made no comment about a victorious duel increasing someone's battle rating. While that did indeed happen in Midgard, and Andres has said that the duels were "inspired" by Midgard, that's a relatively weak assumption to make at this point. Haudegen's comment seemed very definite, which would indicate an alternate source for that information than this thread.

[Beaver]

There's a write-up and about 7 pages of posts. What more do you need?

You're right, there's lots of info. I just don't know who to vote for. Bad wording from my side I guess.

[Chimpyang]

Andres noted to the Spartan that if you defeat a better opponent - there is a chance for BR to increase - but it would be a huge risk for the 'mafia' to take, when they are guarenteed kills during the night.

Also, I'm turning my visibility back on. Since in this game you can't "go bad", the only people who would need it to lurk and observe are the mafia. I encourage others to turn this back on so we can monitor who is lurking better.