I laugh in the face of White Supremacist groups

[Sasaki Kojiro]

No, you are saying racism is not to be blamed on factors such as poverty, ignorance, social factors etc, instead you just think it is because people are hateful.

As an aside, what is the use of making excuses for behavior like this, however true it is? Everything can be blamed on factors such as poverty, ignorance, social upbringing etc...but if you give people a pass an don't act like they are responsible for them selves then you are denying their humanity.

[Askthepizzaguy]

As an aside, what is the use of making excuses for behavior like this, however true it is? Everything can be blamed on factors such as poverty, ignorance, social upbringing etc...but if you give people a pass an don't act like they are responsible for them selves then you are denying their humanity.

I am delighted to know that I am not arguing alone. Thank you Sasaki and HoreTore.

[Rhyfelwyr]

As an aside, what is the use of making excuses for behavior like this, however true it is? Everything can be blamed on factors such as poverty, ignorance, social upbringing etc...but if you give people a pass an don't act like they are responsible for them selves then you are denying their humanity.

I am a bit of a liberal lefty sometimes am I not?

In the UK, people on the left now treat poverty as a social problem, they don't blame the poor on their condition. Is it possible to work your way out of poverty?... yes, but not everyone will make it. Conservatives say blabla its up to the individual. They say we deny people their humanity... but really we do not, we are simply pointing out patterns on the larger social scale, much as Vuk did before ATPG dismissed everything as a stereotype.

Even though the Nazi's deservedly take the blame for the horrors their regime carried out, that does not mean that we (the victors from WWI) could have prevented such people from getting into power in the first place. We could have said "hmm, maybe treating a country like when really WWI was an inevitable conflict of equally nasty imperial powers will cause militant fascism to develop", instead they just went ahead and tried to cripple the nation.

Obviosuly there were longer term factors which shaped the development of Nazism, but really Nazism was just Germany's regional variation of fascism. Imperial Japan wasn't a much nicer country at the time.

So, I think it is time we stepped of the soapbox and started treating racism with the same reasonable approach many, mostly on the left, take towards poverty nowadays.