Regionalism/Nationalism/Globalism

[Cronos Impera]

An Orgah survey.
What affiliation suits you the most in this Century?

a)Regionalism
States in US
Land in Germany
Regions/Counties in the rest of the world
b)Nationalism
Country in EU
US
Other independent entities
c) Globalism
European Union
United Nations
......

d)Gah 1
I am an undercover agent of the Octosquid Collective.

e)Gah 2
I like polls.

[CountArach]

We are going through a period of intense global integration. I wholeheartedly approve and would willingly be part of a world state.

[HoreTore]

On the condition that it's decentralized as hell, then count me in on this world state.

[Fragony]

A. Netherlands, USA, Canada, Australia, and Scandinavia. Belgium and Luxembourg as well. Pure win.

[Vuk]

lol, there are too many conflicts and dislikes. Look what happened to Yugoslavia? The only way that a world state would work is if you were to first get rid of all that rivalry, hatred, and conflict (religious, ethnic, ideological, etc). Even still, when the world is so split up on how a country should be governed (Socialism in Europe, Communism in many place, whatever the heck you call America - I will not get into an argument over definitions), that it would never work. Regions would all want to be governed whatever the prevailing way in that reason is and it would fragment. As ideal as it sounds (kinda like Communism did), it just would not work. (even if you went through mass killings and reeducations like the USSR)
Best thing to do IMO is for us all to stick our nose out of each others business and try to work together...not to make others work for us *cough* International law *cough* US in Iraq *cough* Russia in Central Europe *cough*
Sure, some international laws are needed to ensure that everyone does stick their nose out of everyone else's business, but other than that, I think we should let Iraq do what Iraq does, China do what China does, Russia do what Russia does, the US do what the US does, etc. (I am talking about governments, not individuals getting involved in humanitarian work or charity)

[HoreTore]

The only way that a world state would work is if you were to first get rid of all that rivalry, hatred, and conflict (religious, ethnic, ideological, etc).

That sounds like a terrific idea, let's do it.

[Louis VI the Fat]

What affiliation suits you the most in this Century?

a)Regionalism

b)Nationalism

c) Globalism


d)Gah 1
I am an undercover agent of the Octosquid Collective.

e)Gah 2
I like polls.

Can I vote all five of the above?

[Furunculus]

The Sovereign Nation State.

[Fragony]

That sounds like a terrific idea, let's do it.

Sounds like you are ready to tell an african to tell his goat to stop farting because it contains CO2.

[Vuk]

That sounds like a terrific idea, let's do it.

It does sound great, too bad it is impossible. You see, no one agrees as to the roots of the problems, and everyone wants to blame someone else. Are you ready to push your belief over everyone else and kill any who resist? If not, then I am afraid the best thing to do is live and let live.
I am being completely honest when I say that there are few people I agree with less than the Dutch, and sure, there are opposing beliefs that would never work together in a single state, but I am gonna go tell the Dutch that they have to start doing things my way. The only way for us to live peacefully together would be for us both to agree on something else (never gonna happen), or for one of us to push our beliefs on someone else, which would just be wrong. I do not wanna attack Dutchland () cause I think they got it wrong, and I do not want to tell them how to govern their country or put sanctions on them. I am sure the Dutch disagree with us, but as long as they are not trying to force their ideas on us, or put sanctions on us, I am content to disagree with them. The best decision is just to live and let live. Most of the horrors and wars that have happened in the world are the result of someone trying to push their beliefs on someone else. You want world peace? Then you gotta sell it to the world (which may be hard, but probably not impossible) that the best thing to do is just leave each other alone.

(Heck, I strooongly disagree with the Russian government, and think that it is oppressive, but it is not the job of the US to stick its nose in. If a citizen wants to speak out, fine, but the government should not stick its nose into another government's business)

[Rhyfelwyr]

That sounds like a terrific idea, let's do it.

Why bother? The only reason these problems exist are because these people are hateful.

OK I'll stop spilling stuff over from the other thread...

Personally, I like regionanlism. Govern every region the way that suits it best, with just enough centralisation to be efficient. The world is still to diverse a place for a big world government.

[HoreTore]

Can I vote all five of the above?

No wonder you french have lost all respect, you can't even decide on a simple poll!

Now make up for you indecision by sending me one of them french babes.

[Strike For The South]

Texas
France

The rest may burn, I care not what happens to those philistines.

[Fragony]

It does sound great, too bad it is impossible. You see, no one agrees as to the roots of the problems, and everyone wants to blame someone else. Are you ready to push your belief over everyone else and kill any who resist? If not, then I am afraid the best thing to do is live and let live.
I am being completely honest when I say that there are few people I agree with less than the Dutch, and sure, there are opposing beliefs that would never work together in a single state, but I am gonna go tell the Dutch that they have to start doing things my way. The only way for us to live peacefully together would be for us both to agree on something else (never gonna happen), or for one of us to push our beliefs on someone else, which would just be wrong. I do not wanna attack Dutchland () cause I think they got it wrong, and I do not want to tell them how to govern their country or put sanctions on them. I am sure the Dutch disagree with us, but as long as they are not trying to force their ideas on us, or put sanctions on us, I am content to disagree with them. The best decision is just to live and let live. Most of the horrors and wars that have happened in the world are the result of someone trying to push their beliefs on someone else. You want world peace? Then you gotta sell it to the world (which may be hard, but probably not impossible) that the best thing to do is just leave each other alone.

(Heck, I strooongly disagree with the Russian government, and think that it is oppressive, but it is not the job of the US to stick its nose in. If a citizen wants to speak out, fine, but the government should not stick its nose into another government's business)

A conservative american will probably love it here, might get some fun himself. You guys don't understand this place, the Netherlands is deeply conservative, more so then any other country of europe, very traditional even, woman at home, husband at work, probably too archaic for even an american to cope with. Strange country we have here, live with it .

[Husar]

Impossible is when you stop trying.

[HoreTore]

Impossible is when you stop trying.

A ballon for you, good sir.

[Megas Methuselah]

Regional.

[Incongruous]

The Sovereign Nation State.

It has taken well over a thousand years of brutality for Europe to come up with that, it took a long time but produced what were very cohesive political and social units. Unfortunatley, certain aspects of the nation state are inclined to absurdity, thus we had the massive self-destruction of Europe last century.

However, the nation state is still the only viable way to govern and live with people, I feel (almost) no affiliation with most Europeans, the current economic crisis has shown that most Germans and Frenchmen would agree on that point.

Why would you want aglobal hegemony in the frist place? When something goes wrong, it is a case of when and not if, we will have nowhere to go except to the gun rack.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It has taken well over a thousand years of brutality for Europe to come up with that, it took a long time but produced what were very cohesive political and social units. Unfortunatley, certain aspects of the nation state are inclined to absurdity, thus we had the massive self-destruction of Europe last century.

However, the nation state is still the only viable way to govern and live with people, I feel no affiliation with most Europeans, the current economic crisis has shown that most Germans and Frenchmen would agree on that point.

Why would you want aglobal hegemony in teh frist place? When sometging goes wrong, it is a case of when and not if, we will have nowhere to go except to the gun rack.

My country comes first - liberal nationalism FTW.

[Uesugi Kenshin]

How could anyone be wholeheartedly loyal to somewhere else when one is from Vermont? It's just not possible. Vermont is simply the greatest. Sure the USA is a decent country, but let's face it if the whole USA were like Vermont it would be a much better place and thus I have proven that the USA's good qualities in large part stem from the fact that Vermont is a part of it, while the bad are the inevitable watering down of Vermont and introduction of non-Vermont influences. I wonder if I can say Vermont in this paragraph any more than I already have?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I chose regionalism not because I believe that Virginia should secede again, nor out of any mislike for -- oh, say, Vermont (I've heard Montpelier is lovely in April) -- but because I believe this republic would be better served by "dialing back" the central government in favor of the states.

Repeal the 16th and 17th ammendments and we'd have a different start point.

[Vuk]

A conservative american will probably love it here, might get some fun himself. You guys don't understand this place, the Netherlands is deeply conservative, more so then any other country of europe, very traditional even, woman at home, husband at work, probably too archaic for even an american to cope with. Strange country we have here, live with it .

lol, no offense Frag, I got nothing against the Dutch, I just really disagree with your politics and culture. Like I said though, live and let live. I was not preaching, simply giving an example to Hore Tore.

[Fragony]

lol, no offense Frag, I got nothing against the Dutch, I just really disagree with your politics and culture.

No problem at all, heard worse (today), but can I please point out that you are just as bad as Hitler before I respect your opinion and continue to have fun with ya ??

[Vuk]

No problem at all, heard worse (today), but can I please point out that you are just as bad as Hitler before I respect your opinion and continue to have fun with ya ??

I take offense sir! I am MUCH worse than Hitler! He may have picked on Jews and Slavs, but it is my goal to exterminate ALL life! MUHWAHWA!

[Rhyfelwyr]

I wonder what poll option Hitler would choose? At first I thought nationalism, but then maybe globalism, so long as the Reich is that world government...

[LittleGrizzly]

We are going through a period of intense global integration. I wholeheartedly approve and would willingly be part of a world state.

What this clever guy said!

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Vuk & Frag:

Play nice. Others are reading, and some of them may not get your humor.

[Vuk]

Sorry

Just to clarify to everyone, I was only joking with Frag, not serious. :P I know, I got a weird sense of humor. :P

[Furunculus]

What this clever guy said!

all very clever until you realise that you will be submitting to a government composed in part of people who believe that honour killings are normal practice, and suti, and female genital mutilation, and wearing wooden shoes, and ......................................

and then you realise that western democracy has worked precisely because it inculcated a shared family with shared values, which is why you, the individual, submit to be governed by others in your name.

oh wait, never mind.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

The basic problem with one world government is that you can't run and you can't hide.