U.S Citizens right to own a firearm debate

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I'm detecting sarcasm here, but I don't know why. How many people died in the UK as a result of Guns? For the year of 2004, there was 191 GCN. The whole of the UK. In the Us, it is about 11,000 (apologies, the source I am using (Beurau of Justice Statistics) doesn't give the exact number.
Given the fact that the population of the UK is about 60 million, and that of the US is about 300 million, I will times the UK number by 5 to get a comparitive size. So we arrive at 955. That is less than 10% of the US size. Oh, and the US data is just from Homicides. so that doesn't count accidental firearm deaths. The actual figure is probably MUCH higher.

Truth hurts, doesn't it?

The place to go for real fatality stats in the US is the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), here is the complete death report for 2005. Lies, damn lies, and statistics...

So for 2005, we had 12,382 homicides from firearms, 789 accidental deaths from firearms, 221 firearm deaths due to undetermined intent, and 17,002 suicides via firearms (page 34 of the report). There are 414 deaths due to "legal intervention", not sure if this is only police shootings, or also shootings where self-defense is ruled. Accidental deaths do not increase the overall body count by that MUCH, I guess most rednecks are starting to remember to drop the magazine and empty the chamber before cleaning their guns.

Other fun stats: 45,343 motor accident fatalities, 15,635 suicides via other means, and 5,772 homicides sans firearms, 19,656 accidental deaths from falls. The world is a dangerous place.

Generally, most people in the US have come to the conclusion that what we have now is acceptable given the overall scheme of things, although tragic to those unfortunate few.

[Che Roriniho]

The place to go for real fatality stats in the US is the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), here is the complete death report for 2005. Lies, damn lies, and statistics...

So for 2005, we had 12,382 homicides from firearms, 789 accidental deaths from firearms, 221 firearm deaths due to undetermined intent, and 17,002 suicides via firearms (page 34 of the report). There are 414 deaths due to "legal intervention", not sure if this is only police shootings, or also shootings where self-defense is ruled. Accidental deaths do not increase the overall body count by that MUCH, I guess most rednecks are starting to remember to drop the magazine and empty the chamber before cleaning their guns.

Other fun stats: 45,343 motor accident fatalities, 15,635 suicides via other means, and 5,772 homicides sans firearms, 19,656 accidental deaths from falls. The world is a dangerous place.

Generally, most people in the US have come to the conclusion that what we have now is acceptable given the overall scheme of things, although tragic to those unfortunate few.

You had 12, 000 homicides from firearms. If the UK statistics from the same year are times by the relaytive population size (about 5), we havre the grand total of about 1,000. The statistics don't lie. I haven't put any spin on them, as there is none to put on.

Put simply, ban firearms or risk another TWELVE THOUSAND deaths a year from them. Perhaps more.

Also, am I the only one here who is completely sickened as regard to the number of firearm homicides in the US? Twelve thousand people are now dead who could have lived. That's 6 times the number killed in 9/11. And you don't even seem to care.

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You had 12, 000 homicides from firearms. If the UK statistics from the same year are times by the relaytive population size (about 5), we havre the grand total of about 1,000. The statistics don't lie. I haven't put any spin on them, as there is none to put on.

Put simply, ban firearms or risk another TWELVE THOUSAND deaths a year from them. Perhaps more.

Also, am I the only one here who is completely sickened as regard to the number of firearm homicides in the US? Twelve thousand people are now dead who could have lived. That's 6 times the number killed in 9/11. And you don't even seem to care.

6 times the number killed in 9/11, which shows what amateurs AQ really are. Americans are way better at offing ourselves than a bunch of religious nuts from the Middle East. And yet we still gave away our civil liberties due to that little statistical blip back in 2001.

Considering how the UK government has been treating it's subjects over the past 20 years, I think we'll be more than happy to keep the implied threat of citizenry revolt going. Even if it's empty.

We care, we have just decided that it is an acceptable price of keeping our government officials on their toes. They are the ones failing in their duty anyway, if the existing guns laws were enforced properly the death toll would be significantly reduced.