Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[PershsNhpios]

TinCow;

No, I have received no information that it has increased.
No doubt because Northnovas and I were similar in skill, for which reason the fight was challenging to both contestants.

If I fluked a victory over someone stronger, then I believe the skill increases.

Beefy;

Why would you like to know?
I won't disclose anything because I don't know if that can be revealed.

It is a minor 'gamebreaker' if everyone spews forth their battle rating on request.

[Beskar]

Page 19's table -


Stephen Asen 10 Beskar, El Diablo, LittleGrizzly, Gregoshi, Reenk Roink, pevergreen, AggonyDuck, Tristan de Castelreng, Beefy187, Death is yonder

GeneralHankerchief 2 TinCow, Ichigo
Yaropolk 2 woad&fangs, Sasaki Kojiro

TinCow 1 YLC
Beskar 1 Stephen Asen
TosaInu 1 Thermal Mercury
YLC 1 Glenn

Abstain 1

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Rhyfelwyr

Argument against Stephen Asen

[Prince Cobra]

Ok, I will say it.

Unvote: Abstain; Vote: Stephen Asen


Reasons?:

In the first killing, it was noticeable that some one didn't do a kill.

In the night-phase, Olavi posted:


Olavi got killed, some one must have thought him being absence from the game would be a thing, and didn't feel guilty killing him off as he won't be here, compared to some one who is playing.

Andres later says:


Some one obviously not posted their kill in for their role. Who can it be?

I read further on, to see who posted for any clues.



He posted about Death (possibly that of his victim)
He hasn't been playing hence his absence, hence why he missed posting in his kill and possibly did not kill in the first night phase as well and just coming into the game on the last page and seeing Olavi's post and decided he would do for a victim as he will stop playing: "I know, I will target him, he is leaving anyway so won't be here".


Why he might target lurkers/absent peoples opposed to those who are posting.

ALSO: Andres posted the end of turn, after his post, when it was due to finish at 30 minutes past, which must mean all the roles were accounted for.

Strange you say that. Look at my record and you shall see I am not that stupid to boast with it + I had plenty of time to send my supposed orders earlier (I was back for lunch;) + I doubt Andres would have been ready with the chapter so quickly (about 4-6 minutes from my post, probably less depending when he had read it).

Second, there are 3 other ninjas + I doubt kills have anything in common with the presence of the ninjas.

ABout Olavi: I am glad he died, because he is one of the traitors. Look at his name! Are you his mate? (I doubt the triator was Northnovas because he said his name without much thinking and after the story about the Takeda's father was revealed)

Maybe you are, maybe you are not. But the way you twix my words is indeed suspicious and quite sufficient to make you Ninja. You simply saw that I have rushed into a discussion and decided to attack me.



Unovote: Beefy
Vote: Beskar

[Prince Cobra]

Stephen Asen 4 Beskar, El Diablo, LittleGrizzly, Gregoshi

GeneralHankerchief 2 TinCow, Ichigo
Yaropolk 2 woad&fangs, Sasaki Kojiro

TinCow 1 YLC
Beskar 1 Stephen Asen
TosaInu 1 Thermal Mercury
YLC 1 Glenn

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I see.

Dear Nakayima,
Dear Watanabe,


Many years have passed since my ungrateful son has taken control over the Takeda clan.

Revenge is a dish best served cold, they say.

Messengers brought me alarming reports about our clan. My foolish son is drawing heavily on our resources and it seems like he will eventually lose the war against the Uesugi.

You must take action, before it's too late! My son is unaware about your true loyalty.

Bring me the head of the usurper, Takeda Shingen! Once he has been taken care of, I will take control over the Takeda clan and I will appoint the misguided Nobushige as my heir!

Keigu,

So one of the betrayers is named "watanabe" (like Olavi), Olavi was returning home with his sword and wakizashi before he was killed, and olavi made a sig for andres (and possibly got a role in return). The others killed were on guard duty.

[Beskar]

I doubt Andres would have been ready with the chapter so quickly.

All he had to do was fill in the blanks He properly had it all written up ready and just waited for names.

ABout Olavi: I am glad he died

Dum dee dumm...

because he is one of the traitors.

*was kkilled during the night phase.

You simply saw that I have rushed into a discussion and decided to attack me.

Actually, I went back and suspected you later. I thought there was something suspicious about Olavi, which made me go and look. Your timing was simply impeccable for stringing my theory together, which is why you was implicated. It is a big bunch of coincidences which made me suspect you.

Unovote: Beefy
Vote: Beskar

Pure revenge vote. :p

[Prince Cobra]

All he had to do was fill in the blanks He properly had it all written up ready and just waited for names.

Really? As far as I know a single name is enough for the orders. This is not IH, please.

Pure revenge vote. :p

Yes, it is, though it is backed by your persistent attempts to discredit me for nothing. Isn't it quite strange the way you twix a single death poem?

You are either Ninja or traitor or over enthusaisthic samurai.

[Beskar]

So one of the betrayers is named "watanabe" (like Olavi), Olavi was returning home with his sword and wakizashi before he was killed, and olavi made a sig for andres (and possibly got a role in return). The others killed were on guard duty.

Northnovas was also called by that name. It is not wrong to presume there are multiple instances of names and the method of death could be due which character did it. The guard duty kills being that of ninja. We can only learn more about that from seeing more kills.

You are either Ninja or traitor or over enthusaisthic samurai.

That if any of them. Would be interesting to see though if I am actually right or not.

[Prince Cobra]

*was kkilled during the night phase.

I am not aware there is a rule that protects the traitors from the swords of the Ninjas...

[Prince Cobra]

Northnovas was also called by that name. It is not wrong to presume there are multiple instances of names and the method of death could be due which character did it. The guard duty kills being that of ninja. We can only learn more about that from seeing more kills.



That if any of them. Would be interesting to see though if I am actually right or not.

More than two with the same name? This will be indeed weird. For me one of the traitors is finished during the night.

[Beskar]

I am not aware there is a rule that protects the traitors from the swords of the Ninjas...

Correct, but we don't know the kills styles just yet and true meanings of death in this early phase.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Northnovas was also called by that name. It is not wrong to presume there are multiple instances of names and the method of death could be due which character did it. The guard duty kills being that of ninja. We can only learn more about that from seeing more kills.

The ninja's seem to kill those on guard duty while the traitors kill in the victims room. However:

Watanabe Yumi (Olavi) entered his room. He was tired and in dire need of some sleep. He quickly undressed himself, placed his katana and his wakizashi in a corner of the room and went to bed.

Would indicate that he was doing something that night. Combined with the others it is a reasonable assumption. Perhaps next night will reveal more.

[Prince Cobra]

The ninja's seem to kill those on guard duty while the traitors kill in the victims room. However:



Would indicate that he was doing something that night. Combined with the others it is a reasonable assumption. Perhaps next night will reveal more.

Sasaki, I think it is just the opposite. The murderer of Shinseikhaan and in night 1 is one person/1 team. Both stabbed in the back (we know that in the first ), that's nice for a traitor + in the first he was a samurai.

Edited: No, they are not. The previous backstab was with shuriken, and the present one is with sword. Therefore, we have 1 traitor kill(Shinsei) and 1 ninja kill (spL1tp3r50nal1ty). They both backstab, which confused me. + look at the Ninja above Olavi's death! INMHO Olavi was the traitor!

[pevergreen]

I will await my master's words of wisdom.

[Reenk Roink]

Forgot to Vote Stephen Asen in my last post...

Vote: Stephen Asen

Master says double his vote as default position.

[PershsNhpios]

I never like to draw information from write-ups, because I fear the idea of chasing wild geese.

However, I have noticed one thing which I have not seen remarked upon yet.

Murders follow the pattern of hours.

The hour of the rat was reported followed by that of the ox; could the hour of the rat stand for the traitors?

(Forgive me if this was already mentioned somewhere.)

EDIT: Note, Sasaki, that I killed a Watanabe in the duel.

[Ignoramus]

Still too little to go on for me.

Vote: Abstain
Challenge: Ichigo

Something about his accusation of GH doesn't sound right.

[pevergreen]

Vote: Stephen Asen

[Death is yonder]

Ignoramus, it would be better if you didn't challenge people but vote for them. Firstly, if I am not wrong challenges can be denied. Whilst it makes people seem a tad suspicious, valuing their life too much, defense of their persons right to live should be fine, to a certain extent. Voting is more certain, the lynch is guaranteed (i guess) if the person receives the most votes, challenges however, are only a 25% chance of being selected due to randomness. Furthermore, if we knew someone was likely scum, we would vote for him, not send a high battle rating samurai to go and duel him.

About the topic of battle ratings, I believe that it would be unlikely for Andres to not balance out all of these lovely goodies with Ninjas/Traitors with high battle ratings. After all, it would be a mockery if all of them had low battle ratings, they would be scared to even try a challenge attempt. These scum with high battle ratings are also unlikely to be revealed upon duel won. The duel of Glenn Vs Northnovas shows that duel results are rather ambiguous, it is this ambiguity that would allow the scum with high battle ratings to strike with impunity, albeit not rampantly. They would likely go around claiming the other person a tad suspicious and in the name of honor, the other samurai would accept to clear his name. If you take a look at Reenk's settlement game, upon a duel, the roles of the respective 2 would be revealed. Eg: Farmer swing hoe at priest, both unskilled, a mockery of the fine arts blah blah etc. Here, the write ups for the duels simply say that: Player X won Player Z. Perhaps the following duel would confirm for us if Andres simply writes duels as 'close ones' with action for the sake of story fodder , or whether it really was a close duel. I would suppose if the latter option is true, Andres might flip a dice and choose the winner if the battle ratings of the 2 people are equal I would guess.

As such, I would not make more evidence searches on duels until the next one occurs, for the first duel has yet to prove anything, it has but set a benchmark. We would do well to see the 'dominance' of 1 player versus another in the next write up for duels, or the same 'close game' style. It would likely take a few duels to accurately gauge...

[Andres]

Ignoramus, it would be better if you didn't challenge people but vote for them. Firstly, if I am not wrong challenges can be denied.

No. Challenges cannot be denied nor withdrawn.

[Death is yonder]

That poses a new argument entirely... well, this then could be a tactic for the high battle rating scum to challenge people occasionally or take turns. Who knows!?

[AggonyDuck]

What do you think of stephen asen?

He's a friend and I think this might be his first mafia game, so I'm not going to join a bandwagon against him without a good reason for suspicion. That said I haven't had the time to read the posts he has made so far, so I might change my opinion after that.

[AggonyDuck]

Upon looking at those posts, I think we will have to lynch Stephen sooner or later. I don't really have a gut reaction yet, but there's a good possibility that Stephen is one of the ninjas, so we might just have to lynch him quick and hope that we were correct. That said I suggest we keep a very close eye on Beskar as well.

Unvote: Abstain, Vote: Stephen Asen

[_Tristan_]

After catching up with the thread, I'll have to join the bandwagon and

Vote : Stephen Asen

[Husar]

Just as a FYI, IIRC in sigurd's games the challenge rating was increased by +1 for every successful battle and at least in Midgard 1 even when you beat the weakest weakling as a god.
I think it was the same in Midgard II, whether Andres adopted this as well would be interesting to know, Sigurd sent people PMs about these increases.

That also makes me wonder where Sigurd is?

[TinCow]

The things that Glenn and Sasaki have pointed out about Olavi's death make sense to me. If true, it would conclusively show that the ninjas and traitors are not allies.

[edit]If so, this screws up my attempt at connecting the night kills to various roles. I'll take another shot at it after N3.

[Beefy187]

Vote: Stephen Asen

[Beskar]

That said I suggest we keep a very close eye on Beskar as well.

I made a good convincing argument, my detective skills are uncanny.

On the downside, Stephen Asen must really be hating me. Nothing personal, Stephen, I just noticed those set of happenings and it was the most convincing thing I seen myself so far in the game as clues to who some one could be.

[Csargo]

Still too little to go on for me.

Vote: Abstain
Challenge: Ichigo

Something about his accusation of GH doesn't sound right.

This makes no sense.

[Death is yonder]

@Besker: I would like to point out that there are a few blanks in your accusations against Stephen, but seeing as there is nothing BETTER to go on, i will just Vote: Stephen Asen until something more decisive comes up .

We can only learn
from our mistakes in voting
not doing nothing