Swords in the Moon [Concluded]

[AggonyDuck]

The fact, that we remove two of the top three lynch candidates per round, means that we will have to find new suspects faster instead of having them linger on for a few more rounds and with bad luck even forgotten. This also means that the hunches will get an opportunity, due to the fact that the Mafia seldom tends to remove the most suspicious players and target the less suspicious ones.

[Kagemusha]

I agree with Duckie. Just because something did not work in certain game does not mean it cant work on another one. The difference is that we have a clear rallying point in Lord Takeda. For me Sasaki´s attitude about loosing the fun factor to survival of the town is very scummy. After slin has been lynched he is my top candidate for next lynch, because it can be clearly seen that his goal is to diminish the numbers of the town.

[Gregoshi]

Gregoshi - you are a geisha. Stop fiddling with your make-up and speak, lass. What happened last night? You 'restored order to the universe', got killed, and said you had failed?

Help us out here...

1) Last night someone found me merely "interesting", which hurt my feminine ego , but it hurt not nearly as much as murdering me did - and completely destroying my theory that sleeping is safe. The final insult to injury was that I didn't even get to use my hairpin.

2) Regarding "restored order to the universe": are you implying that cleaning up is "woman's work"?

3) I failed because I can no longer serve my Lord Shingen in my fullest capacity. But at least I don't need to plug my nostils anymore for the stench from the pineapple, beef bone and pizza crust. I don't miss the hornets either. Flies are still a concern though if my body is not burned/buried soon.

4) Regarding knowledge I've gained, I have nothing I wish to contribute to the discussion of guilt - yet. With time, soil and water, the humble seed blooms into a beautiful flower. I'll let the paranoia of the guilty stew on that. It is not like they can kill me again.

5) This may be the first and last time I can legitimately use froggy's emoticons, so I'm gonna use them all!

[TinCow]

The fact, that we remove two of the top three lynch candidates per round, means that we will have to find new suspects faster instead of having them linger on for a few more rounds and with bad luck even forgotten. This also means that the hunches will get an opportunity, due to the fact that the Mafia seldom tends to remove the most suspicious players and target the less suspicious ones.

Please explain how you are going to ensure the removal of two of the top three each round. You cannot control who issues challenges and you cannot control which challenge gets chosen if there is more than one. The only influence you have over the matter is the lynch vote, and in order for that to be an effective deterrent, you MUST lynch people who do not obey your system. This means going after these people even if there are better targets around for other reasons. The moment you let someone who broke the 'rules' off the hook, the deterrence effect vanishes.

If you think you can accomplish this, by all means go ahead and try. I just don't think it's possible to get it to work in the time we have left before we're all dead.

[Peasant Phill]

Finally I can vote.

vote: YLC

Why? Last night eliminated most of the pevers. This would in theory clear a fellow pever. I say eliminate the last pevers and you may eliminate a mafia member.

[Dutch_guy]

CA, you should have received my rating when you read this.

Dueling feeds those "what if" feelings by giving townies a chance to fight for what they believe.

Yes indeed, however as TinCow's post already highlighted is isn't a foolproof system and it works both ways as mafia can use their own 'hunches' as easily as the town, and accepting a challenge is something else entirely - that's up to the player, and the information gathered from a(n) decline/acceptence per sé is quite shallow also.

[seireikhaan]

FoS- AggonyDuck.

[glyphz]

Vote: shlin28

*A scarred veteran walks into the hall*

I am Ichimaru Yoshiko, and I will protect my Lord with my life

I AM NOT LYING TO CA! I DID NOT INFLATE MY BATTLE RATING!

Done. Vote: Abstain

A true warrior never fears death.

To Stephen Asen:

When did I state I have a low battle rating? I always said I was a veteran samurai...

Condemned one.
If you are indeed telling the truth, including the high battle rating you claimed, try to reveal as much as you (possibly) can, now. (your current defense does nothing to convince anyone of your innocence)
Perhaps all is not lost for you. Convince Lord Takeda (CountArach), and your fate might just make a turn around.
Perhaps

Besides, it would be a waste to lose a good sword arm outside of battle.

[AggonyDuck]

Please explain how you are going to ensure the removal of two of the top three each round. You cannot control who issues challenges and you cannot control which challenge gets chosen if there is more than one. The only influence you have over the matter is the lynch vote, and in order for that to be an effective deterrent, you MUST lynch people who do not obey your system. This means going after these people even if there are better targets around for other reasons. The moment you let someone who broke the 'rules' off the hook, the deterrence effect vanishes.

If you think you can accomplish this, by all means go ahead and try. I just don't think it's possible to get it to work in the time we have left before we're all dead.

I don't think that I can ensure it, but we as a collective can get it to work. If we agree on no-challenges without permission policy, then whoever challenges without permission is clearly either an uncooperative samurai or a traitor and deserves to die.

[Gregoshi]

Perhaps schlin is a Musashi-type. That would put him head and shoulders above everyone.

Relax Sasaki! It is merely a thought.

[atheotes]

Vote: shlin28

Condemned one.
If you are indeed telling the truth, including the high battle rating you claimed, try to reveal as much as you (possibly) can, now. (your current defense does nothing to convince anyone of your innocence)
Perhaps all is not lost for you. Convince Lord Takeda (CountArach), and your fate might just make a turn around.
Perhaps

Besides, it would be a waste to lose a good sword arm outside of battle.

Good piece of Advice for Shlin...

but as a true servant:
Vote: Shlin

[Beskar]

Page 35 Tally List

Fatality: [The one who is going to get lynched.]

shlin28 20 CountArach, LittleGrizzly, Beskar, GeneralHankerchief, YLC, Sasaki Kojiro, Seamus Fermanagh, ajaxfetish, AggonyDuck, Death is yonder, Kagemusha, TinCow, KukriKhan, Beefy187, Glenn, Dutch_guy, Yaropolk, Reenk Roink, Haudegen, glyphz

YLC 4 El Diablo, White eyes, Ichigo, Peasant Phill

TinCow 3 Chimpyang, Husar, Tristan de Castelreng

Taka 2 Seamus Fermanagh, Captain Blackadder
Stephen Asen 2 woad&fangs, Louis VI the Fat

ajaxfetish 1 FactionHeir
Beskar 1 Crazed Rabbit
Haudegen 1 Wishazu
LittleGrizzly 1 Rhyfelwyr
GeneralHankerchief 1 Yoyoma1910


Abstain 3 Caius, taka, shlin28



Mortal Kombat: [Duels.]

GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
Glenn Vs YLC
Yoyoma1910 Vs Louis VI the Fat



Finger of Suspicion [Incidents this day phase]
Shlin28
Public Threats against Pevers
TinCow
LittleGrizzly
Reenk
Beskar (note)
Stephen Asen x3
Chimpyang
Dutch-Guy
AggonyDuck


The Usual Suspects: [A section for those who keep cropping up from previous rounds.]

shlin28 A
Stephen Asen C
Beskar C
Sasaki Kojiro D
YLC D
Haudegen D
LittleGrizzly D

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

The rank system for the Usual Suspects:
Rank S Special Recommend Lynch ASAP.
Rank A Strong High Possibility Mafia-role.
Rank B Popular Popular on the list.
Rank C Mild Common name on the list.
Rank D Weak Just cropped up once or twice.
Rank E Not Listed Not worth listing.

Ranks are decided upon position on the table and how many weeks. This is a trial of last two weeks and current scoring.

[AggonyDuck]

FoS- AggonyDuck.

What does FoS mean?

[Beskar]

Finger of Suspicion.

I am not sure what HoS, is, but probably Hand of Suspicion.

[Prince Cobra]

It's now 22:30 in Bulgaria and as I promised I will no longer delay it. Btw, after a short consideration the possibility of ajaxfetish to share something with me in private is very very low. I have no intention to wait more.
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The story of the samurai

So... I did not listen to Gregoshi's advice and stayed awake. I walked in the silent corridors of the palace scrutinising for the smallest sign of activity. The Gods helped me that night I hope since I suddenly saw strange activity in the room of ajaxfetish. No doubt, this samurai who was very inactive showed unexpected energy in writing his correspondence at night. With whom? This is a mystery. But he became one of my suspects.
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OOC Elucidation

Wednesday between 23:30-0:30. In other words: I saw ajaxfetish PMing. At least 3 times in a very short period of time (I went to bed then since it was quite late). Switching from Swords of the Moon to Pming and back and I wonder what it means. And his name appeared in the Andres' profile page. I think this is enough reason to challenge him. I put my life at a stake.

This is posted with the knowledge and permission of Takeda Shingen, therefore the possibility this person to be pro-town is very, very low.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I agree with Duckie. Just because something did not work in certain game does not mean it cant work on another one. The difference is that we have a clear rallying point in Lord Takeda. For me Sasaki´s attitude about loosing the fun factor to survival of the town is very scummy. After slin has been lynched he is my top candidate for next lynch, because it can be clearly seen that his goal is to diminish the numbers of the town.

One of the benefits of Rule #1 is that you don't have to make up reasons to accuse me. A duel is going to be fought whether I challenged someone or not--ergo my challenges don't reduce the number of town. Such a strategy has minimal gain for a mafioso. The risk of dying in a duel does not mean much to a townie. Finally, what do you have to say about this--

GeneralHankerchief Vs Rhyfelwyr
Stephen Asen Vs ajaxfetish
El Diablo Vs YLC
YLC Vs TinCow
Chimpyang Vs Louis VI the Fat
White_eyes:D Vs YLC
Beefy182 Vs GeneralHankerchief
Glenn Vs YLC
Yoyoma1910 Vs Louis VI the Fat

Hmm? You just picked me because of rule #1--so say so.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

It's not 22:30 in Bulgaria and as I promised I will no longer delay it. Btw, after a short consideration the possibility of ajaxfetish to share something with me in private is very very low. I have no intention to wait more.
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The story of the samurai

So... I did not listen to Gregoshi's advice and stayed awake. I walked in the silent corridors of the palace scrutinising for the smallest sign of activity. The Gods helped me that night I hope since I suddenly saw strange activity in the room of ajaxfetish. No doubt, this samurai who was very inactive showed unexpected energy in writing his correspondence at night. With whom? This is a mystery. But he became one of my suspects.
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OOC Elucidation

Wednesday between 23:30-0:30. In other words: I saw ajaxfetish PMing. At least 3 times in a very short period of time (I went to bed then since it was quite late). Switching from Swords of the Moon to Pming and back and I wonder what it means. And his name appeared in the Andres' profile page. I think this is enough reason to challenge him. I put my life at a stake.

This is posted with the knowledge and permission of Takeda Shingen, therefore the possibility this person to be pro-town is very, very low.

Hmm interesting. Hopefully mafia and not a pro town--but without knowing which the right move is to expose it.

[FactionHeir]

vote:ajaxfetish

Talk...please

[Beskar]

I put Finger of Suspicion on my Tally List now.

[Wishazu]

I think it`s too late to lynch Ajaxfetish now but I like Stephen Asen`s argument. I say we do in Ajax next time if Stephen loses his duel.

[Yaropolk]

Wednesday between 23:30-0:30. In other words: I saw ajaxfetish PMing. At least 3 times in a very short period of time (I went to bed then since it was quite late). Switching from Swords of the Moon to Pming and back and I wonder what it means. And his name appeared in the Andres' profile page. I think this is enough reason to challenge him. I put my life at a stake.

This is posted with the knowledge and permission of Takeda Shingen, therefore the possibility this person to be pro-town is very, very low.

Stephen - how do you check when someone is PMing?

P.S. I am AFK until Monday. My real life daimyo wants me to build a deck! Please dont WOG.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

I think it`s too late to lynch Ajaxfetish now but I like Stephen Asen`s argument. I say we do in Ajax next time if Stephen loses his duel.

Best to wait on ajax anyway. He could be a pro town role--we need a claim before we would lynch him.

[Beskar]

I think Count Arach accidently posted some one's battle rating. I just remembered now. Either that, or it was a typing mistake or something.

Found the post but has been edited. I will just assume it was a typing mistake. There was a number next to 'A Very Super Market'.

[woad&fangs]

There are a lot of reasons a person could be PMing that have nothing to do with Swords in the Moon. The fact that Ajax has visited Andres user page is also not very incriminating. In large games like this, someone always gets incriminated with this kind of evidence and it is always WRONG.

edit: Ignore the content of this post.

[TinCow]

There are a lot of reasons a person could be PMing that have nothing to do with Swords in the Moon. The fact that Ajax has visited Andres user page is also not very incriminating. In large games like this, someone always gets incriminated with this kind of evidence and it is always WRONG.

True, but Stephen Asen said Ajax was regularly switching between viewing this thread and PMing. That's pretty solid evidence that he was PMing about this game. You and Sasaki are both correct that this in itself is not really incriminating and we should not lynch for it. However, it is worth probing for more information. If the PMing was innocent and meaningless, then it shouldn't be hard to prove.

Incidentally, this is why it is good to turn invisibility on.

[woad&fangs]

I actually agree with what you are saying. I made that post because I thought the day phase would be ending soon and if Ajax was suspected of having a role, the ninjas/samurai would kill him during the night which would be bad if he turned out to be pro town. However, now that I realize this is an extended day phase, I think that we should continue to pressure Ajax.

[Chimpyang]

True, but Stephen Asen said Ajax was regularly switching between viewing this thread and PMing. That's pretty solid evidence that he was PMing about this game. You and Sasaki are both correct that this in itself is not really incriminating and we should not lynch for it. However, it is worth probing for more information. If the PMing was innocent and meaningless, then it shouldn't be hard to prove.

Incidentally, this is why it is good to turn invisibility on.

Surely this would be a good reason for pro-town roles to switch invisibility off? If PMing is innocent - it should as you say to be provable - unless you have something to hide/need to make something up.

[Chimpyang]

Is it possible you could let me know what the highest rating you have received? I just want to know how mine compares against the top score.

Does nobody else not think this is at least a tiny bit suspicious?

[Wishazu]

how?

I don`t want to sit around waiting to be murdered in my sleep or whatever. I`ve only asked for the highest number to be posted, I didn`t ask for any names. I could be a battle rating of 5 which may sound high but what if there are people rated 15? then a 5 would be a bit pants and suggest dueling is probably not the way forward for me etc.

[Sasaki Kojiro]

Wishazu, my rating is 25.