The Current Status of Monarchism.

[Furunculus]

There are many better forms of governments. A goverment that has the potential to let an idiot become a leader has a problem, whether there is no better goverment or not. Such a major problem has to be fixed. Why not have a republic (Not necessarily reffering to Democracy).



But why have a monarchy then?

show me a more successful form of governance as exhibited by any other other country which compares favourably to Britain, when outcomes for the population are taken into consideration. and quantify those more favourable outcomes.

i await with no little anticipation.............................

[HoreTore]

show me a more successful form of governance as exhibited by any other other country which compares favourably to Britain, when outcomes for the population are taken into consideration. and quantify those more favourable outcomes.

i await with no little anticipation.............................

Democracy.

So much better than a constitutional monarchy. Evidence: France and Germany.

[lenin96]

Democracy.

So much better than a constitutional monarchy. Evidence: France and Germany.

True, but there are many different forms of Republics... Like a Socialist one.

[HoreTore]

True, but there are many different forms of Republics... Like a Socialist one.

I said democracy, not republic. And the great thing about it, is that there is no need to specify whether a democracy is socialist, religious, capitalist, liberal, conservative or whatever. It can be any of them, and change between them peacefully.

[lenin96]

I said democracy, not republic. And the great thing about it, is that there is no need to specify whether a democracy is socialist, religious, capitalist, liberal, conservative or whatever. It can be any of them, and change between them peacefully.

I would discuss further on that but then we would get off topic. It could be an interesting discussion, maybe a separate thread?

[Furunculus]

Democracy.

So much better than a constitutional monarchy. Evidence: France and Germany.

so how are they better?

[HoreTore]

so how are they better?

For starters, it would be impossible to corrupt your politicians by bribing them in exchange for titles...

[Incongruous]

For starters, it would be impossible to corrupt your politicians by bribing them in exchange for titles...

[HoreTore]

Oh dear.... Do we have another Tribesman?

Except the old Tribesman usually have some solid argument beneath the surface...

[Incongruous]

Oh dear.... Do we have another Tribesman?

Except the old Tribesman usually have some solid argument beneath the surface...

Nope I have no good argument, I just point at yours' and almost die of laughter, that was such an awsome post HoreTore

Phew, ok...

It was an erroneous distinction HoreTore, it was great, you were levelling the accusation of corruption against a specific form of government as if it was some great evil which demonstrated clearly the ill sof constitutional monarchy. I laughed because corruption is an institution of all governments, no matter their contruct, tbh the idea that a gut may buy his way into the Lords is alot less frightening than people being elected Senator because of fat manila enevlope changing hands.

[InsaneApache]

For starters, it would be impossible to corrupt your politicians by bribing them in exchange for titles...

Are you taking the piss?

[Furunculus]

For starters, it would be impossible to corrupt your politicians by bribing them in exchange for titles...

let me be the third person to roll on the floor laughing my behind off.

but back to the figures, is there any facts or figures you would like to bring to the table regarding types of government and corruption, perhaps using western europe as a typical sample set?

[HoreTore]

let me be the third person to roll on the floor laughing my behind off.

but back to the figures, is there any facts or figures you would like to bring to the table regarding types of government and corruption, perhaps using western europe as a typical sample set?

Nope.

[Louis VI the Fat]

For starters, it would be impossible to corrupt your politicians by bribing them in exchange for titles...

I do not see what is so odd about this?

As I understand it, the reasoning is that 'one can not bribe politicians by bestowing them with titles when there are no titles to begin with'. Not 'it is impossible to corrupt politicians if there are no titles'.

The first makes perfect sense. However, I do think that some non-monarchies hand out titles too, mostly non-heriditary ones.

France, Italy and Germany's nobility are a leftover from their days as monarchies.

For the sake of interest: France does not have a nobility.

Rather confusingly, France does have noble titles. The legal status of a noble title is - in some very complicated manner that I don't really understand - that of a protected part of the family name.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Those that say a Republic is better immune to idiots in power than a Monarchy should look at GWB and learn. An idiot can be bred as much as be elected for power.

At least the Monarch does not have to be concerned with public opinion, and therefore the means that manipulate public opinion. The notion that all governments should be elected and empowered by the people is not written in stone, neither it is necessarily the best; if the people are stupid, and if the people are easily manipulated by Big Money and Big Media into being swayed for demagogues or a certain candidate, then it's best to take away their right.

Which is probably one of the biggest problems out there. A perfect Democracy exists only in the realms of dream; in the United States the power of the top guys effectively enforces a two-party oligarchy ran by the same old interests.