Twenty years after the wall

[Fragony]

I'm afraid the wall came down in November 1989.

The year is more important than exact months or dates.

ahum.

It's now time for the exams, kids are rolling from the assemblyline of the red machine as we speak to be further indoctrinated with leftist propaganda on universities, I bet there isn't a single question in the exams about the wall.

[CountArach]

The right-wing of this forum never ceases to amuse me

[Fragony]

The right-wing of this forum never ceases to amuse me

Ask any dutchie on our forums if our educational system could just be little biased. You wouldn't believe it.

[Vuk]

The right-wing of this forum never ceases to amuse me

Another stunningly brilliant and substantial post from the left. Foreign idea, why don't you criticize his argument instead of him? If you are not going to criticize a relevant point in the thread, you should not just post for the sake of attacking someone and taking the thread off course.

[Fragony]

Another stunningly brilliant and substantial post from the left. Foreign idea, why don't you criticize his argument instead of him? If you are not going to criticize a relevant point in the thread, you should not just post for the sake of attacking someone and taking the thread off course.

Thank you Vuk. Do you ever wonder why the euro youngsta's are so violently anti-american? You must think what did we do wrong! It's everything they know, it is everything that is taught to them. In Flemish schoolbooks for toddlers for example you have this villain that sounds exactly like 'Dow Jones' when you read it out loud, I don't know about you but that qualifies as sublimal messages to me. In history classes we are taught that, ah well a lot of vietnam veterans here I really don't want them to be disgusted to much by us euro's but think village burn kill them all. Brainwashing pure and simple, teach them to be ashamed and afraid when they are young and you can fit them right in into the collective.

[CountArach]

Another stunningly brilliant and substantial post from the left. Foreign idea, why don't you criticize his argument instead of him? If you are not going to criticize a relevant point in the thread, you should not just post for the sake of attacking someone and taking the thread off course.

What is his argument?

[Fragony]

What is his argument?

What you responded to

[Scurvy]

ahum.

It's now time for the exams, kids are rolling from the assemblyline of the red machine as we speak to be further indoctrinated with leftist propaganda on universities, I bet there isn't a single question in the exams about the wall.

I don't know about elsewhere, but in the UK GCSE and A level both have options for the Cold War - most of which end in 1989, and the OCR GCSE certainly has a section on themes, including the Cold War and fall of the Wall (something like 1945-1997).

Children are of course properly taught of the evils of capitalism in other subjects.

As a side note, educational systems are always biased from any point of view - for example I was taught (as an example) that Stalinism was the natural consequence of Communism, something I now completely disagree with - it's just what my teacher thought. Especially in subjects with 'subjective' or opinion-related answers, bias is always present, but it can go either way.

[Louis VI the Fat]

March 1989, crack in the Wall!:

West Berlin Journal; Out of the East, Hordes (of Weekend Capitalists)


Published: Monday, March 6, 1989


Though long prepared to stand fast against a military onslaught from the East, West Berlin authorities have been caught off-guard by new weekend invasions of thousands of Polish flea marketeers lured to this island of capitalism by the chance for a quick mark.

They began sometime before Christmas, when several dozen Poles, taking advantage of loosened exit formalities in Poland, appeared at the Krempelmarkt, the muddy weekend flea market near the Berlin wall, with some vodka, clothing and other wares for sale at rock-bottom prices.

June, Gorbachev puts the fate of East Germany in the hands of East Germany itself. It is from here on up to Honecker

A GORBACHEV HINT FOR BERLIN WALL

Published: Friday, June 16, 1989

Wrapping up a triumphant visit to West Germany, President Mikhail S. Gorbachev said today that the Berlin wall was not necessarily permanent, but would be taken down only when conditions that created it fell away.

Though Mr. Gorbachev's visit produced no concessions on Berlin's status, his willingness to address the emotionally charged issue in practical terms was taken by West Germans as evidence of the ''new chapter'' that the Soviet leader proclaimed in Soviet-West German relations.

''The wall was raised in a concrete situation and was not dictated only by evil intentions,'' he said at his concluding news conference. East Germany ''decided this as its sovereign right, and the wall can disappear when those conditions that created it fall away,'' he continued. ''I don't see a major problem here.''

[CountArach]

ahum.

It's now time for the exams, kids are rolling from the assemblyline of the red machine as we speak to be further indoctrinated with leftist propaganda on universities, I bet there isn't a single question in the exams about the wall.

1) Teachers teach to a syllabus - why should they change the syllabus for just one year?
2) Why do you assume that the Left wished the wall stayed up. Most of the Left is socially liberal... and The Wall represents everything opposed to that idea.
3) You are basing your entire argument on conjecture and the experiences of yourself, not actual sources.
4) Why should I feel it necessary to actually pose these questions when you dismiss public education as "the red machine"? That shows a complete lack of commitment to serious discussion/debate.

[Louis VI the Fat]

I predict that by this November, the vast leftist ABSOLUTE CONTROL of Dutch society will have been defeated.

Freedom to the Netherlands will have been restored. And then, this November, at last, the Dutch media and education will finally be free to devote massive attention to the twentieth anniversary of the fall of the Wall.





I just had a vision. I predict that the vast leftist stranglehold on Dutch society will collapse exactly on the Ninth of November. Mark my words.

[Fragony]

1) Teachers teach to a syllabus - why should they change the syllabus for just one year?
2) Why do you assume that the Left wished the wall stayed up. Most of the Left is socially liberal... and The Wall represents everything opposed to that idea.
3) You are basing your entire argument on conjecture and the experiences of yourself, not actual sources.
4) Why should I feel it necessary to actually pose these questions when you dismiss public education as "the red machine"? That shows a complete lack of commitment to serious discussion/debate.

Well I would be willing to explain why I detest socialism, any idealism kinda detests me. Why would you dislike socialism when everything goes right, perfect society, but so are all utopian theory's. But I wouldn't call it very realistic. Idealism went a bit too far though, a good smack around the head I just deserved at times. Too much. Lately saw about the Australian immigration policy, that is harsh even by my standards by the way.

[CountArach]

Well I would be willing to explain why I detest socialism, any idealism kinda detests me. Why would you dislike socialism when everything goes right, perfect society, but so are all utopian theory's. But I wouldn't call it very realistic. Idealism went a bit too far though, a good smack around the head I just deserved at times. Too much. Lately saw about the Australian immigration policy, that is harsh even by my standards by the way.

Way to address the points I was trying to make...

May I take that as permission to go on laughing at the Right?

[Fragony]

May I take that as permission to go on laughing at the Right?

If you must. It's like I have always said, the left needs a miracle the right needs patience. Laugh all you want.

[CountArach]

If you must. It's like I have always said, the left needs a miracle the right needs patience. Laugh all you want.

It's funny. I've always thought that the Right was the Left's miracle.

[Fragony]

It's funny. I've always thought that the Right was the Left's miracle.

The left is perverted, now they defended someone who say women should keep their eyes peeled to the concrete at all times (Tariq Ramadan), the left can't chose between being sorry for muslims for whatever reason and being at least a little western.

[Andres]

In Flemish schoolbooks for toddlers for example you have this villain that sounds exactly like 'Dow Jones' when you read it out loud, I don't know about you but that qualifies as sublimal messages to me.

Brilliant stuff

I predict that by this November, the vast leftist ABSOLUTE CONTROL of Dutch society will have been defeated.

Freedom to the Netherlands will have been restored. And then, this November, at last, the Dutch media and education will finally be free to devote massive attention to the twentieth anniversary of the fall of the Wall.





I just had a vision. I predict that the vast leftist stranglehold on Dutch society will collapse exactly on the Ninth of November. Mark my words.

You are clearly part of the leftist conspiracy, mocking those who detected it and all

[Fragony]

Brilliant stuff

Well sorry