Catholic Church in deeep water.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

It seems your problem is mostly with the Irish government for not prosecuting...they seem to be much more callous about the issue than the Church, as you can see here:

The leader of the Roman Catholic Church in England and Wales, the Most Reverend Vincent Nichols, said those who perpetrated violence and abuse should be held to account, "no matter how long ago it happened".

"Every time there is a single incident of abuse in the Catholic Church, it is a scandal. I would be very worried if it wasn't a scandal... I hope these things don't happen again, but I hope they're never a matter of indifference," he said.

I think every Catholic will agree with you that this is disgusting.

It seems the Catholic Church as an institution still seems to think you can get into heaven via indulgences and that being a good person isn't part of the deal..

Do you have any idea what indulgences or confession are?

[tibilicus]

Do you have any idea what indulgences or confession are?

Yes I do know what indulgences are. They were basically bits of parchment which could be purchased back in the 16th century which pardoned a number of sins. Lead to the 95 Theses after whichever Pope it was tried to use indulgences to pay for St. Peters Basilica.

Reason I mentioned that is because to me that sums up some parts the Catholic Church as an institution. By that I mean institutions which really aren't committed to the spiritual services to God.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Yes I do know what indulgences are. They were basically bits of parchment which could be purchased back in the 16th century which pardoned a number of sins.

Kind of right, but mostly not.

By that I mean institutions which really aren't committed to the spiritual services to God.

You're an atheist, are you not?

[tibilicus]

Kind of right, but mostly not.



You're an atheist, are you not?

How so? Please enlighten me to your true definition and sum it up in two lines preferably like I did.


And I'm more Agnostic than Atheist. It's not so much that I don't believe there is a God, more I don't really care. Also you should know I'm not trying to attack Catholics as individuals, I'm more highlighting my grievances with the Catholic Church as an institution.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

How so? Please enlighten me to your true definition and sum it up in two lines preferably like I did.

I'll do better. Link.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I have to say... nothing the Catholic Church does surprises me anymore.

Granted there are plenty of members, priests, and so on who have clean hands in all this, but there is a huge, widespread problem with the Catholic Church and their leadership and administrators. The irony of the "Sisters of Mercy" and "Christian Brothers" doing things that are downright Satanic, and having the widespread abuse covered up in "Secret Vatican Documents" dating back to the 1930's....

I really think the Roman Catholic Church has to go. No church which claims to worship God and Jesus should behave this way, and it goes all the way directly to the Vatican itself. Anyone who knew about this and didn't immediately come forward is, to me, exactly the same as the child molesters and abusers themselves. May they all be tossed in prison.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I have to say... nothing the Catholic Church does surprises me anymore.

Granted there are plenty of members, priests, and so on who have clean hands in all this, but there is a huge, widespread problem with the Catholic Church and their leadership and administrators. The irony of the "Sisters of Mercy" and "Christian Brothers" doing things that are downright Satanic, and having the widespread abuse covered up in "Secret Vatican Documents" dating back to the 1930's....

I really think the Roman Catholic Church has to go. No church which claims to worship God and Jesus should behave this way, and it goes all the way directly to the Vatican itself. Anyone who knew about this and didn't immediately come forward is, to me, exactly the same as the child molesters and abusers themselves. May they all be tossed in prison.

Have you considered the possibility that reform has taken place?

That an organistion with One Billion members cannot be all Saints?

That there is no member of the Catholic heiarchy that was even ordained when the abuses take place?

It's liek saying, "Yeah, America owned slaves for a long time, the country is clearly rotten and needs to be destroyed."

[tibilicus]

I'll do better. Link.

Using Wikipedia is cheating!

[Samurai Waki]

maybe they were the Satanic Order of the Chattering Nuns of St. Beryl in disguise. although they seem rather tight lipped on the issue... nope, they're Catholic. .