Yet another Sweboz question!

[DaciaJC]

I fouth them in only one battle... and gand, they were scary even on medium! Just to get to the city center, I losted half of my army... AND I DIDN'T REACHED THEM YET!!! Once you come to hand to hand (IF YOU LIVE TILL THERE) it's another story as their horses, appart form FM, have almost no defance and die like flies in hand to hand...

So 70 years? Damn, how I'll wait till there? I've anger problem when it comes to Romans... I can't resist... when I see a lil stack among my border... I can't help myself to shout COME AND TAKE ME!!!then throw my naked dudes and unleashe my fury upon those poor Romans... But I promise, i'll do an effort to wait!!!

Mount an invasion of Britannia while you wait. That should turn out interesting.

[Tyrfingr]

Mount an invasion of Britannia while you wait. That should turn out interesting.

+1

It is always entertaining to invade the British islands as the Swébôz.

[Duguntz]

Mount an invasion of Britannia while you wait. That should turn out interesting.

Yeah, I tought about it, and, I seriously will try to do it... the problem it's that it takes the infinite
just to be able to built boat, having the necessary structure takes a big while. While not so expensive, it's rather far in the game... also, do you have a trick forthe following problem : as sweboz have a real crappy economy, it's kinda hard to maintain decent army. While one front is easily defendable, and even if it's only on ''defending my territories against foes'', when it comes to multiple front at the same time, it become somewhat a real thread for the campain itself, as sweboz can't affordstacks as numerous as, let's say, Romans... and usualy, i'm at war with Romans and Aedui, and nothin will make Arverni to come on my side, Nice situation in the west hmmm? but during that ''triple war'' on the west, it's not long till Getai looks the nice northen forests...
That is the reason why I blitzed last campain, because I couldn't afford at all war of atririon against so many at the same time, so i had to destroy them good and fast in order to survive... any suggestion to make this go better? Or it's really the AI wich automaticly detect a biological form that control a faction and throw everything it got on it?

[lionhard]

I started a sweboz campaign vh/vh and got surrounded by sauromatae from th east (who are unstoppable unless u have horse archers which u dont cas ur sweboz)

rome came from the south and then lustaonna, sweboz r so weak vs every faction that apposes them in v/h v/h campaign.

I had to send a ship with an elite army of naked spear men, gaut spearmen, baltic archers and some elite generals all the way to the south of spain and sack all the cities but with in 4 turns i had only pillaged 2 major cities and the lustaonna were on my back, i now hold 1 settlement in germany and 2 settlements in spain.

My faction leader has just been slain and i have a general leading my melted forces which now only consist of light iberian spearmen and mercenarys, this is the hardest campaign iv had since playing EB. i wanted a challenge and damn it sure is.

Its just a shame carthage are sat accross the sea with huge forces and could aid my needs if only they could get on their ships and come accross.

[Duguntz]

I started a sweboz campaign vh/vh and got surrounded by sauromatae from th east (who are unstoppable unless u have horse archers which u dont cas ur sweboz)

rome came from the south and then lustaonna, sweboz r so weak vs every faction that apposes them in v/h v/h campaign.

I had to send a ship with an elite army of naked spear men, gaut spearmen, baltic archers and some elite generals all the way to the south of spain and sack all the cities but with in 4 turns i had only pillaged 2 major cities and the lustaonna were on my back, i now hold 1 settlement in germany and 2 settlements in spain.

My faction leader has just been slain and i have a general leading my melted forces which now only consist of light iberian spearmen and mercenarys, this is the hardest campaign iv had since playing EB. i wanted a challenge and damn it sure is.

Its just a shame carthage are sat accross the sea with huge forces and could aid my needs if only they could get on their ships and come accross.

oh yeah, that's what I'm talkin about... I was playing vh - vh also, but I switched to h - m... big differance, but somewhat, with units balance, your naked dudes really do wonders... too much! (like my blitz of Italia proove) and believe me, when nothing else is to fight, It's so boring, i just stopped the campain, although I only had to conquer Gawjam-Basternoz, and i already had an army 1 turn from it... but he, I don't play when i'm bored of it, no matter close am i from victory! I prefer to read some interesting philosophy books instead!!!

[Macilrille]

Yeah, I tought about it, and, I seriously will try to do it... the problem it's that it takes the infinite
just to be able to built boat, having the necessary structure takes a big while. While not so expensive, it's rather far in the game... also, do you have a trick forthe following problem : as sweboz have a real crappy economy, it's kinda hard to maintain decent army. While one front is easily defendable, and even if it's only on ''defending my territories against foes'', when it comes to multiple front at the same time, it become somewhat a real thread for the campain itself, as sweboz can't affordstacks as numerous as, let's say, Romans... and usualy, i'm at war with Romans and Aedui, and nothin will make Arverni to come on my side, Nice situation in the west hmmm? but during that ''triple war'' on the west, it's not long till Getai looks the nice northen forests...
That is the reason why I blitzed last campain, because I couldn't afford at all war of atririon against so many at the same time, so i had to destroy them good and fast in order to survive... any suggestion to make this go better? Or it's really the AI wich automaticly detect a biological form that control a faction and throw everything it got on it?

As you can see above I did it, on VH/M as recommended by the designers.

1. Took the "Netherlands" and Rugoz with start army. Disbanded most of army, only keps FMs that spawned like crazy 10 years into game, make all new provs Type IV at first, to keep your army of FMs and two archers with you. Send diplomats to get peace and trade to every nation on the map- you need trade. Sell you map and whatever else will gain you Mnai. Gain peace and alliances with enemies.
2. 15-20 years into game, use this army to take Denmark the eastern prov that gives you Baltic Archers and Sweden. Gawjam Scandia (or whatever the Swedish settlement is named) can build harbour for sucky boats at this point.
3. Build infrastructure, 30-35 years into game sneak one sucky boat with an army to Scotland and take it.
4. It is now but a question of time before Casse attacks you, when they do, kill them with no mercy. Till they do, consolidate.

The trick here is that you have a buffer of tough Eleutheroi almost all around you. Only likely contact for the first two generations are Gauls, who are busy fighting each other anyway and rarely gives me attention because of it, and Casse, where you have only one front.

Now in my game the Romans owns the Alps and province NNW of them far into S germany, and are spamming me, but let them. I can take those settlements at my leisure, so I keep to raidintg until the next generation of ambitious young warriors grow up...

[Vasiliyi]

You could gift the romans lots of cash, and process_cq their cities every turn. That should make them really beefed up in no time.

[Fluvius Camillus]

Im always scared I will encounter countless factory fullstacks of elites... Something from the past, so I usually beat the living $@%*~& out of a faction when they first betray/attack me...

~Fluvius

[Geticus]

I always play very hard campaign/hard battle on EB and I like it, with Sweboz the main thing for me is to max out the chevrons of my troops with a pillar of Tyr etc. and play careful you can win. I don't know how you play but I find that if I take skandza, rugii, and the two baltic states east of swebotraust they create a pretty strong maritime economy, I put my best governors on Scandza, Swebotraust and Rugoland and they combine for a pretty good income, two strong armies is very possible if you have good maritime trade and don't buy too many expensive troops (naked dudes i.e.) the Chatti clubman is your best friend here, a T3 government plus game field plus pillar of Tyr and they come out at level 4, if you want to blitz in two directions at the same time put the Chatti clubs high on your list.

Oh and I concur as to fighting the Sauromatii, winnable but very challenging on hard battle difficulty, those guys are brutal to the Sweboz, forest ambushes are useful when possible.

[Macilrille]

I always play very hard campaign/hard battle on EB and I like it, with Sweboz the main thing for me is to max out the chevrons of my troops with a pillar of Tyr etc. and play careful you can win. I don't know how you play but I find that if I take skandza, rugii, and the two baltic states east of swebotraust they create a pretty strong maritime economy, I put my best governors on Scandza, Swebotraust and Rugoland and they combine for a pretty good income, two strong armies is very possible if you have good maritime trade and don't buy too many expensive troops (naked dudes i.e.) the Chatti clubman is your best friend here, a T3 government plus game field plus pillar of Tyr and they come out at level 4, if you want to blitz in two directions at the same time put the Chatti clubs high on your list.

Oh and I concur as to fighting the Sauromatii, winnable but very challenging on hard battle difficulty, those guys are brutal to the Sweboz, forest ambushes are useful when possible.

Do you not mean Slagonez, the normal German Clubmen? They are better than the Chatti ones. I find a mixed group of Medininkas, Slagonez, Wargosez, Heruskez (swordsmen), some FMs, a few Leuce Eupos/German Cav and Ger/naked Celtic spearmen filling the blanks to be very effective in my Sweboz campaign. Against any enemy. Missiles kills other barbarians and the infantry beats the crap out of civilised factions and/or scares the living feces out of them. Then the cavalry chase them down when they flee.

Large pillar of Thiwoz (Tyr) is soooo useful.

[Macilrille]

Mount an invasion of Britannia while you wait. That should turn out interesting.

I just did just that, recreating Knud den Store's Viking North Sea empire. It is definately worth it. Problem is that it constitutes a Blitz and in order to not overrun everyone I have to keep on the defensive against the Romans for 25- 30 more years before actually counterattacking them (I am getting spammed with stacks of Leets) and moving to the next phase of expansion, once every generation must be migration enough ;-)

I am considering copying the Cimbri raid sending a stack to fight till it dies, but I am too much of a strategist, I like to conserve my soldiers, care for them, loose as few as possible. That way i know they will sacrifice all for me as they should, and get loads of chevrons ;-)

But, there are many ways to have fun and wreak havoc while keeping defensive against Rome, raiding most of all. I detest Rome and Carthage, arrogant twats they have been in all diplomatic dealings.

Oh funny thing is, Macedonia owns all Asia minor but has been kicked from Hellas by Epeiros. KH owns Hellas (except the north that Epeiros has taken from Macedonia, and Emporion! Emporion is (as historically) a KH province/colony. Never saw that before, is it coded to join KH if it rebels? like Massilia was in some incarnation of RTW?