TWC or the Org?

[Pannonian]

i like the community at TWC, but the mods there are incredibly stupid, ver-zealous and notoriously strict. whereas it is way slower here and the mods are great.


so basically, if you dnt mind being banned for 2 months for saying 'lunatic', TWC is the best.

The lesson is to accept whatever penalties are given, rather than constantly try to get around it. People get banned for less here, yet people complain of over-zealous moderation at TWC. The difference is that, with a more mature population here, one is less inclined to misbehave.

And yes, if you try to get around your penalties again, it will continue piling on. Note the length of your suspension, and serve it.

[Prussian to the Iron]

The lesson is to accept whatever penalties are given, rather than constantly try to get around it. People get banned for less here, yet people complain of over-zealous moderation at TWC. The difference is that, with a more mature population here, one is less inclined to misbehave.

And yes, if you try to get around your penalties again, it will continue piling on. Note the length of your suspension, and serve it.

i am not even going to go back to that PoS website. i keep getting banned for no reason(says something about an alt?!?!) then get pissed. so if anything, i might actually do what im accused of and make some alts just to piss off the idiotic mods at TWC. you can count on it.

[Ser Clegane]

so if anything, i might actually do what im accused of and make some alts just to piss off the idiotic mods at TWC. you can count on it.

Or you could actually - and I know this might be a very novel and out-of-the-box-thinking idea - behave friendly and in a mature way.
Believe me - it's simply amazing how that helps not to get banned anywhere.

But perhaps I am just talking crazy now...

[pevergreen]

Or you could actually - and I know this might be a very novel and out-of-the-box-thinking idea - behave friendly and in a mature way.
Believe me - it's simply amazing how that helps not to get banned anywhere.

But perhaps I am just talking crazy now...

True post, or true-est post?

Memes aside, each forum has its place, and the ones that are flittering between the two (pannonian) tend to be great contributors at both forums.

At any place on the internet you get members who you wish could be more constructive and so forth. I'm one of those to many people.

As for the rep system, its been given a nice view on either side, but I side with the 'its a good idea, but abused in reality.'

Until recently, the org seemed to be more reliable to stay up, but these are baaad times. Luckily, they conincide with my self exile from being online, as I am soooo very close to going over the internet limit (gets refreshed tomorrow )

Apart from that, people tend to form loyalties to their first. This will always be the forum for me, its got the people I know that are good to see whats going on (Strike FTS, CR, GH and so on)

[Bwian]

Personally, I have accounts on both sites and use both.

As a modder, the odding community is far more active on TWc for M2TW, so I end up spending more time there. It's a different feel, but I have never considered the two forums to be mutually exclusive.

For some, there is the need to be 'part of hte club' .... but personally, I am with Marx on this ( Groucho ... not Karl ) and I would never want to join a club that would have me as a member!

You will get nice people on either forum, Trolls on either forum, as well as people who consider their opinion to be the most valid because their voice is the loudest. That, as they say, is life, and it reflects the mix you will get on any forum. Modding forums for specifc mods tend to get a more focused audience, as they all are keen to follow that particular mod...and I think the postings will reflect that interest.

General forums and 'Tavern; type areas will tend to attract a more diverse posting pattern, and more varied characters and opinions. If such things don;t suit, then stay out of that particular kitchen!

As far as moderating goes, I have never been banned form either forum, never been warned, threatened or whatever, so I can't comment on the 'mods' at either forum. I have a moderate amount of Rep over at TWC and Artifex status....which is nice because it is a recognition of effort gained through patronage and vote....and similarly had no problem getting a mod forum here and similar recognition around the modding forums. I feel sorry for DolGuldur and ANY modder working on the unseen essence of a mod, but have been fortunate to specialise in the more visual eye-candy stuff that makes people go 'Ooooh'...rather than the code without which nothing would go at all... but that is true on both boards. The casual fans love hte eye-candy.

Overall, I think there is no harm in having an account on both boards and posting where andwhen you feel comfortable. A third option on the poll for 'both' would have got me voting.Oh yes....and there are more petulant children over at TWC in proportion to its size, but it's easy to ignore them as the buzzing of a pesky fly.

Ultimately, I think whichever board you frequent, the experience you have depends very much on the attitude you bring with you.

[Dodge_272]

I like both.

TWC is more active however the average IQ drops by about 50% in comparison to this site.

[Prussian to the Iron]

wow......this somehow went from a "which do you prefer" thread, to a "single mans crusade against TWC" thread, to a "psychology of people who dislike and want to troll TWC" thread. kinda funny how this stuff works eh?

Well no you won't... because apparently they banned you.

for some reason i find this extremely funny.............




i would like to take part in this conversation, being myself a subject of it.

Is it because the Org generally has a more mature audience that looks down on such stuff, whereas TWC has a younger membership that views such stuff as cool?

this seems pretty logical; I usually hang around very intelligent and nice friends (one of them is only 16 and has a scholarship to westpointe!!!) and behave relatively well with them, whereas when i am around my less intelligent and immature friends, i find that i am more accepted when i behave less like my normal self.

Is it because the Tribunal, the political history, etc. of TWC gives them a platform for such antics?

yes. you understand us so well.

Is it the membership or the institutions that cause this, and what can be done to improve things?

as in.......?

you mean other members and the admins/moderators? i don't know what you mean by institution so i'll go with my translation:

other members are usually not that bad, a few outliers but not many.

moderators on the other hand, well, yeah. they are a big problem. i also noticed that most of the older/more popular moderators there (Pontifex, Foot, etc.) are much more fair; not always, but definitely more.

what can be done to fix it? clean out all moderators and simply let the administrator take care of all reports. then, after a month or 2, they could start re-choosing new moderators based on posting manners and etiquette. after a 1 month trial period, the mods would be allowed full priveleges.

also: if there is an appeal in the tribunal, a poll should be included and everyone should be allowed to post in it. then, depending on the poll results, the appeal is either refused or granted.

[Kamos]

You were nothing but a belligerent spammer during your stay at TWC John, I recall very well some of your massed agressive posts. You deserved everything you got while you were there, though it's good to see you've calmed down some.

[Prussian to the Iron]

You were nothing but a belligerent spammer during your stay at TWC John, I recall very well some of your massed agressive posts.

examples?

anything said was provoked by idiotic 9 year olds who should be banned permanently. i did not spam, and their idea of spam is far off. instagibbed is spam. well thought out posts, whether long or not, is not spam. nor was i agressive despite your claims.

[Kamos]

examples?

anything said was provoked by idiotic 9 year olds who should be banned permanently. i did not spam, and their idea of spam is far off. instagibbed is spam. well thought out posts, whether long or not, is not spam. nor was i agressive despite your claims.

Your appeals alone were aggressive enough and done in a poor disrespectful manner. Your behavior in your appeals was hardly anything new as it was that behavior that got you in trouble in the first place. Mostly your posts generally consisted of one-to-two sentences containing poor punctuation and l33t speak with very little useful content. They were hardly 'well thought out' or constructive.

[Andres]

I would like to remind everyone that, no matter what happened at the TWC, Org rules apply when posting at the Org.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I would like to remind everyone that, no matter what happened at the TWC, Org rules apply when posting at the Org.

*dancing lock smiley would go here if smilies worked currently*

[Prussian to the Iron]

Your appeals alone were aggressive enough and done in a poor disrespectful manner. Your behavior in your appeals was hardly anything new as it was that behavior that got you in trouble in the first place. Mostly your posts generally consisted of one-to-two sentences containing poor punctuation and l33t speak with very little useful content. They were hardly 'well thought out' or constructive.

the appeals are aressive as everyone elses are, and for good reason. the 3 mods moderating the appeals are corrupt and horrible, and deserve nothing less than permaban.

and i barely used leet, and mostly used well-constructed sentences. grammar is unimportant ot me on the internet; you can read what i am saying.

[Kamos]

the appeals are aressive as everyone elses are, and for good reason. the 3 mods moderating the appeals are corrupt and horrible, and deserve nothing less than permaban.

and i barely used leet, and mostly used well-constructed sentences. grammar is unimportant ot me on the internet; you can read what i am saying.

Calling people lunatics and jackasses are definitely insults despite how fiercely you believed otherwise. They are hardly corrupt and are in fact very nice, formal, and professional. Your cases just never stood a chance from the start as you were appealing something that was clearly against the ToS.

[Alexandros_III]

At the TWC I have openly disliked anyone who has joined after March 3rd (I regret it though). I just dont want to be part of that. The reason I stick with TWC is because I found it first.

And the sight of it is better. Everything here is set up with buseness settings and a blueish background. Is there really no way to change that? At TWC the option is at the bottomn of the screen.

[GeneralHankerchief]

And the sight of it is better. Everything here is set up with buseness settings and a blueish background. Is there really no way to change that? At TWC the option is at the bottomn of the screen.

Normally, there is. However, the forum recently went through a hiccup and we're still trying to get everything back to the way it was.

[Alexandros_III]

I didnt really mean this thread to be a full argument or discussion, I just wanted advice on whether to keep my old acount on TWC or to become a noob again and start here. But this is a better argument than I got there.

[Beefy187]

I didnt really mean this thread to be a full argument or discussion, I just wanted advice on whether to keep my old acount on TWC or to become a noob again and start here. But this is a better argument than I got there.

If you are worried about the background theme, like GH said it will get fixed soon as Tosa finds some time to deal with it.

As for starting over here, it really depends on what you want to do.

[A Terribly Harmful Name]

Don't bother with your postcount: go where the interesting discussion is. This way you'll rise fast.