16 y old "Seen the Elephant, Legendary commander, and Great Conqueror"

[Andy1984]

Lol! funny thing that most people on that forum thinks that I just throw my men against pike wall! It's silly! In fact i did it once and it was because I was boxed (in MP) and I had no other choice than trying my luck or dying without fighting!!! But I'm not a tactician as bad as to throw men away! neither I throw my FM on gaesate! Gaesate, I fight them bravely, with courage... from an archer range and a lot of amunition! Fighting with my gen on the first line dosen't mean i'll throw him on an elite unit with AP bonus!!!! but, of corse, on the first line, he's got more chances to be surrounded, and in those moments, dies in the glory of battle! but in all campains i did, although with dying rate surely higher than all those Roman and Greek administrators, I always had more than enough FMs!!!

Funny thing is, I hardly ever loose a FM in battle. I admit I love heavy cavalry generals, while I particularly despise Sweboz for that reason. But really loosing a FM in battle without having him sent on a suicide mission, that happens maybe once or twice in a campaign. I guess I use my generals the coward's way, which is ok to me and my FM's.

My love for my FM's is probably also the reason why I try not to ship them over the seas. Still, I never had one that lived up to a hundred years, for which I wish to blame these AI-assassins.

[Duguntz]

Funny thing is, I hardly ever loose a FM in battle. I admit I love heavy cavalry generals, while I particularly despise Sweboz for that reason. But really loosing a FM in battle without having him sent on a suicide mission, that happens maybe once or twice in a campaign. I guess I use my generals the coward's way, which is ok to me and my FM's.

My love for my FM's is probably also the reason why I try not to ship them over the seas. Still, I never had one that lived up to a hundred years, for which I wish to blame these damned assassins.

It's true, that with Sweboz, it's a different use of your general, as He's on foot, and, although a real killing machine, for isn't the equal of spartans, also on foot... But for the sake of roleplay, all my FMs MUST fight in first rank, although it's more dangerous, but prestige, glory, honor and even nobility, was aquiried, and kept, only by deeds on the battlefield, and not as much by bloodline, as, let say, more civilised people. I also love my FMs and i like really much to follow them in their evolution of traits, and play them according to them (like... not engaging him in battle when he's got the ''coward'' trait) But with all the battle experience they get in that way, it's generally hard to kill one of my FM, and impossible to rout the army because of all the moral he gives to his troops. Of corse, i've always let's say, 3 FM thgat I keep for my rich cities, so they, only, get good managment profile... still, i don't know how to roleplay them, as they're not cowards, but i'd not take the risk to send them in battle, as, with the ''mighty'' sweboz economy, only those High ranked management men gives me income!

[Macilrille]

Since the thread is now back on topic (stupid twat, I am the most jaded person here, no need for amateur explicits, there is a time for anything and the EB forum is not for such amateurish spoutings. I guess he was drunk).

Tacitus says, "In the day of battle, it is scandalous to the Prince to be surpassed in
feats of bravery, scandalous to his followers to fail in matching the
bravery of the Prince. But it is infamy during life, and indelible
reproach, to return alive from a battle where their Prince was slain.
To preserve their Prince, to defend him, and to ascribe to his glory all
their own valorous deeds, is the sum and most sacred part of their oath.
The Princes fight for victory; for the Prince his followers fight."

So Dugunz does play it right.

Archeology tells us that this was mostly the case in the west part of Germania, including Jutland. While in the eastern parts the warrior role was not as important, including Sjælland.

[Duguntz]

Since the thread is now back on topic (stupid twat, I am the most jaded person here, no need for amateur explicits, there is a time for anything and the EB forum is not for such amateurish spoutings. I guess he was drunk).

Tacitus says, "In the day of battle, it is scandalous to the Prince to be surpassed in
feats of bravery, scandalous to his followers to fail in matching the
bravery of the Prince. But it is infamy during life, and indelible
reproach, to return alive from a battle where their Prince was slain.
To preserve their Prince, to defend him, and to ascribe to his glory all
their own valorous deeds, is the sum and most sacred part of their oath.
The Princes fight for victory; for the Prince his followers fight."

So Dugunz does play it right.

Archeology tells us that this was mostly the case in the west part of Germania, including Jutland. While in the eastern parts the warrior role was not as important, including Sjælland.

Two thumbs up!!! and more if only I had more humbs!

[Cute Wolf]

But in my opinion, KH bodyguards is a bit better than sweboz one... at least they could hold a phalanx, while the Sweboz will get almost suicide holdin phalanx from the front.

When I play Sweboz, I capable to get huge management bonus on most of my FM, except the one (or two) who stay in the field since his 16th birthday. Even with tavern on, the key is just tax the people as high as possible, build economic tier buildings first, and never fight except in emergency (campaign was done by one or two general that was raised for that)

[Duguntz]

But in my opinion, KH bodyguards is a bit better than sweboz one... at least they could hold a phalanx, while the Sweboz will get almost suicide holdin phalanx from the front.

When I play Sweboz, I capable to get huge management bonus on most of my FM, except the one (or two) who stay in the field since his 16th birthday. Even with tavern on, the key is just tax the people as high as possible, build economic tier buildings first, and never fight except in emergency (campaign was done by one or two general that was raised for that)

Haaa.... worthless taxers and bankers... How can you leave more than 3 FM in cities? THEY'RE SWEBOZ!!! They drink in the skulls of their ennemies, they fight on the first line! and even, historically, Proto-Germanic ''title'' of nobility got aquired by deeds on the battlefield, acclamation of the people and heroic acts... well I've 3 FM in cities... 13 campaining!!! all with accurate (most as possible, of corse) army! and they're all warmonger trait... and half are restless warmonger! and when they do nothing, i just leave them with their army in ennemy territory, rolaplaying campain ravaging, an , of corse, once a year, I leave with 3 small armies mostly of levies, all commanded by FMs, sack settelements, kill everybody, destroy everything, and return, peacefully, to my country!!! Haaa! the pleasure to be sweboz!

[Duguntz]

When I play Sweboz, I capable to get huge management bonus on most of my FM, except the one (or two) who stay in the field since his 16th birthday. Even with tavern on, the key is just tax the people as high as possible, build economic tier buildings first, and never fight except in emergency (campaign was done by one or two general that was raised for that)

The problem I see (I don't cricticise, just say my opinion) is that you play sweboz exactly as KH should be roleplayed : lots of good managers, and when conquest season's comming up, you ''raise'' generals, wich would have been elected by the assembly... that's real good for KH or any Hellenic Faction, but not sweboz, as they're not commercent, like KH, or the later vikings (wich were as good trader as warrior) sweboz are pure warriors, in the essence of the therm, and their leaders (your FMs) must represent that, all fighting on the first line, more for their personal glory than for real conquest. (well, it's just an opinion!)

I'm thinking about starting a KH campiain after my Sweboz one... It'll be a radical change of roleplay!

[Watchman]

I don't think the "warlord" and "district manager" roles are particularly mutually exclusive, you know. Even Germanic war-chiefs could hardly be on the warpath *all* the time for entirely practical reasons already, and unless I'm mistaken their status came in no small part from being wealthy enough to equip and maintain their own "household" warriors (ie. the soldiers of the BG unit) they could take to the field with on a short notice...
Romantic fancy aside, that translates to owning and managing property.

[athanaric]

It's true, that with Sweboz, it's a different use of your general, as He's on foot, and, although a real killing machine, for isn't the equal of spartans, also on foot...

Actually, Swêboz FMs got 18 morale, which is 1 point more than Spartans; plus, they're better vs. infantry. They make excellent assault troops (especially in early game), perfectly suited for taking and holding gates of wooden walls (don't use them on stone walls because your general has an odd habit of jumping off the wall, as I discovered, much to my dismay, when playing Saba). In this assault role, they are even better than KH generals (who have no swords) and Sabaean generals (who have no banner-bearer, which leaves your general more exposed to enemy fire).

Of corse, i've always let's say, 3 FM thgat I keep for my rich cities, so they, only, get good managment profile... still, i don't know how to roleplay them, as they're not cowards, but i'd not take the risk to send them in battle, as, with the ''mighty'' sweboz economy, only those High ranked management men gives me income!

Would you recommend Swêboz FMs governing (all kinds of) cities? I'm asking because I often wondered if they are any good for governing at all. I hate it when my governors become useless drunkards and ruin my economy, which happens quite a few times with Swêboz.

P.S.: sorry for commandeering the thread...

[Macilrille]

Sweboz + Tavern = paralytic trait as 36-year-old. I suspect it helps to not build the Tavern or "Tavern-slot-type-building".


Edited to add, as a "FM/General" of the "Vikingekampgruppen Ask", Sweboz subfaction I go to Iceland tomorrow for a Viking Market at a tavern built as a Viking stave church in the middle of Hafnafjordur (suburb of Reykjavik). In a week I and the others will be paralytic with drink, fighting and womanising ;-) I love Iceland and its people.

http://www.fjorukrain.is/fjorukrain/en/

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

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[Duguntz]

Would you recommend Swêboz FMs governing (all kinds of) cities? I'm asking because I often wondered if they are any good for governing at all. I hate it when my governors become useless drunkards and ruin my economy, which happens quite a few times with Swêboz.

P.S.: sorry for commandeering the thread...

euh... what about... NO!!! I just don't have the choice, as I'm sweboz! they're excellent warrior, as you stated yourself, but, although, as everybody, when left a long time in a city, they get lots of management, it takes more time to get it... they ALL ,without exception, get the trait ''bored'' thent goes to another one, where the FM say that governing is for women and to give him a job fitted for him (that is, killing people!!!) that gives bad trait and lower the influence. then, as Macilrille told it, the first year, your general get ''likes a drink'' the second year, he gets ''drunkard'' and tnhe third, he gets ''paralitic''... No need to say that your gen. isn't very useful when paralitic! and... almost all of them get paralitic when left long time in cities... FMs who are always campaining, get most of them the ''drunkard'' trait, but hehe, afterall, they're Sweboz!!!

Macilrille... I don't know why, but I just hate you since... since your last post that you'll attend such an event... and I caaaaaaaannnnnn't... Let me get paralitic with you and your gang!