No one died AFAIK so its all good.
Must disturbing posts in this thread and it hasn't even been commented much on. This is condoning the attack by a white racist against a holocaust museum on the grounds that that "no one died". Though it is also now revealed the security guard has died.
According to Tibilicus, grabbing your gun and firing at security guards is A-OK. Who cares about if they are innocent or justice, time to go Left4Dead style on mall-cops.
Last edited by Beskar; 06-10-2009 at 23:28.
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Erm, LOL?
I posted my first post when the security guard was still alive, unfortunately that has changed since, RIP to him. As for my second comment how on earth am I condoning an attack by saying I don't think the story is main headline news? Think your reading in to my first post to much as well, I said it was all good meaning the situation was good as no one had died, not that it was all good in the sense a gunman came in and shot at a load of people. Who do you take me for?
Way to read into things, your views here are obscure and clouded. I'm in stitches about you saying I condone white supremastis, as everyone else at the .org knows I'm a vocal supporter of such groups..
Jesus, get a grip on yourself, your acting neurotic..
Edit: Actually you say you found my posts disturbing, wow, you like blowing smoke out your rear end dont you?
Last edited by tibilicus; 06-11-2009 at 00:00.
But he was a right wing fruitcake , plus he loved the second amendment and wanted to make a display against the tyrannical government as a patriot because his country had been taken over by a negro puppet of the anti-American global jewish cabal.Some people are saying he's right wing. I am simply arguing otherwise.
Hey that last bit sounds just like something Rush said the other day .
Vladimir,Gulden Draak is the BEST beer of all times! If I were you I would not wait...My special order of Gulden Draak came in yesterday. Maybe I'll pick it up tomorrow.
as to the topic... a guy is dead.
Simultaneosly, in the real world, thousands of children starve to death each day.
RIP to the security guy, but really, what is the fuss about?
The big hub-ub is that this guy, breaking all the "rules of society", walks up to a memorial and starts shooting. It's akin to some neo-nazi running across the Normandy graveyards with a rifle. It's not supposed to happen, should've been stopped, and it downright disgusting (plus, it's ULTRA SENSATIONAL! 24-7 "news" channels eat this stuff up). I mean, it's unrealistic that this nutter would've "talked" his way to victory, but everyone's afraid this is slipping America into anarchy or something.
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Have you just been dumped?
I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.
As far as the second post goes, I actually kind of agree with him. I also saw it on the front page of the BBC news website first, which seems very strange to me. I work in DC and we have murders here every single week without fail. Few of those deaths even make the front page of the Washington Post, let alone front and center on most major news websites around the world. This is essentially another aspect of hate-crime laws: singling out individuals who commit crimes based on racial/religious/etc. motivations. I am personally very opposed to this, as I think it furthers the notion that we are not all the same in the eyes of the law. A murder is a murder is a murder. The motivations behind a particular murder should not be sufficient grounds to differentiate between a story buried 30 pages deep in a local paper and a story that gets front-page billing on international news websites.
I can certainly see the sensationalism in the notion of an anti-Semitic murder (which was clearly this guy's motivations), but that doesn't change the fact that it's inequitable coverage. There are plenty of murders all over the US every day that are motivated by race, but we Jews are always given extra-special treatment as a result of sensitivity over the Holocaust. I don't see what makes this nutjob any more news-worthy than the other random office shootings we get every month in the US. They are all equally tragic and should be treated the same. My life (Jewish) is no more valuable than my wife's (Christian). I would hope her murder would get as much attention as mine would.
Being honest, they the media always do stories like this. I remember the story in the top 10 about illegal drugs found in a game of GTA4 (18 rated) which a father bought for his 12 year old son saying he was greatly offended by it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7990927.stm
My post was more the very blunt nature of it. He saw nothing wrong in the idea of some nutjob going to a museum and blowing holes into security guards just comparing it to a storm in a tea cup. You could always obviously raise the point that he wouldn't definitely make that claim to the families of those involved saying that to their face. There is a fundamental difference to "I believe there are more pressing international news" to "Nothing wrong with a good ol' shot up, no one died, righty?".
It down to the question of "What is the value of a human life?", is the killing of an innocent merely a ripple of your tea while you bring the cup to your mouth. There is obviously a sense of personal detachment, but to completely shake it off as nothing at all, is a very disturbing thought. It goes back to the saying of Josef Stalin "the death of one is a tragedy, the death of millions is simply a statistic".
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LOL!
Read what I wrote again, I didn't say anything along those lines. "Nothing wrong with a good ol' shot up, no one died, righty?".
Where did I say that or suggest that? You still refuse to respond to me directly yet still wish to make up lies about what I wrote. I fail to see how anything I said was "disturbing". You obviously failed to even determine the meaning from what I wrote. Seeming no one else has commented on it and no one else has an issue with it, it suggest your acting ridiculous and love throwing around false accusations?
Also pluck up the courage to respond to me directly before accusing me of crazy things, your neurotic, seek help.
Last edited by tibilicus; 06-11-2009 at 13:23.
So your statement "No one died as far as I know, so it is all good" is not classified as condoning the attack?
Definition of condone is as follows according to the online dictionary: "To forgive, excuse or overlook (something); To allow, accept or permit (something); To forgive (marital infidelity or other marital offense)"
You did this with the reason "No one died", however, you still forgive/excuse/overlook the fact the person walked into the museum and let barrels blazing at security guards.
My "lie" was simply a parody version of your statement, and has the same meaning. The parody statement condones the attack because no one died. Therefore, it isn't actually a lie.
Please learn definitions, and while you are at it, look up the definition of neurotic, it would actually apply more to you in this incidence.
Regards.
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Did I mention I forgave and thought it was acceptable that some one went into a museum and started shooting at people? NO.
And yes, I know what neurotic means and you would come under the term neurotic. Your getting all hysterical and throwing around accusations about something I didn't even say! "It's all good" as in the situation is all good and luckily wasn't as bad as it could of been. For example "my friends daughter got hit by a car today but AFAIK she was hit at a slow speed and therefore wasn't hurt so it's all good" Therefore because my friends daughter wasn't badly injured and the situation wasn't a major one, the slang term "all good" could be used.
No one else seems to of uncovered the fact that I condone and support white supremacy but hey, you managed to dig away and it looks like I've been trumped!
Last edited by tibilicus; 06-11-2009 at 13:55.
Strangely, I am reminded of the NYT's old publisher, Sulzberger. It might belong better in the Jiddish Kvetching corner, but I'll link to the story here.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m.../ai_n29153489/
Can we blame Stormfront for this ?Yeah, too bad he couldn't have just settled for slowly fading away at the Aryan Nation Old Folks Home
After all getting all the .....why don't more people appreciate your genius and enjoy your literary masterpieces .....over the past couple of years must have grated on his nerves as to why he hadn't chieved as much notoriety as he desired
The great man who stood up to the ******s & ***s and suffered in prison because a *** judge and ****** jury run by ***s railroaded him for his legitimate protests as a true patriot.
The "election" of a ****** puppet of the ***s to run the nation is really the last straw, its time for action by all good ***** christians to make their presence felt.
Now to cross reference another topic .....reading the Neo Nazi websites gives a great reason to allow Nick Griffin to speak freely before actually pelting him with whatever is at hand .
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i agree with you for the most part, but i think the reason why the media is all over this is because he opened fire in a Holocaust memorial museum. if some guy had opened fire in the MLK Center, id think that the media would be all over it as well.
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Have you just been dumped?
I ask because it's usually something like that which causes outbursts like this, needless to say I dissagree completely.
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