Casse cavalry/infantry bodyguards

[Havok.]

While we could assume that they wouldn't be riding chariots 100% of the time i would be surprised if they'd be heavy cavlry. There barely was heavy cavalry if any at all at our start date in Brittain. I'd go with Calawre myself if not for chariots, Rycalawre would make fine late bodyguards.
Personally however I like the chariots, it's gives your battles and campaigns an extra factor you have to deal with. And chariots are far from always useless. Sometimes the morale attributes for example can really help.

Well yes indeed, the concept of chariots is very cool, but the problem is the way TW engine handles it, very confusing, very hard to deal with, so i rather remove them after all
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Druids bodyguards for the casse FM's should be awesome, nice idea Watchman

[A Very Super Market]

Horribly inaccurate though.

Say, what exactly are your problems with chariots?

[Havok.]

Horribly inaccurate though.

Say, what exactly are your problems with chariots?

I had bad experiences when using them on charges against enemy lines
Other times i clicked on the map in order to better positioning
they spread all the way through the map
it was odd

and we cant use them in cities

rather infantry or cavalry as BG's for casse


you said confusing
about my post up there?

[A Very Super Market]

I think those are problems felt by all cavalry units, but chariots are simply affected more by their large size and spacing.

I didn't say your post was confusing, I only said that not having chariots as Casse bodyguards would be ahistorical.

[Havok.]

I think those are problems felt by all cavalry units, but chariots are simply affected more by their large size and spacing.

I didn't say your post was confusing, I only said that not having chariots as Casse bodyguards would be ahistorical.

Ahh i see,
yes indeed, size -does- matter in some situations

[Skoran]

Yes I use 1.2

Now that you say it, I used a linked in this thread:https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...ight=bodyguard

Goes way back to 2007 , woops.
How should the stats be now?

[Watchman]

Well, this is what the Rycs look like in my backup EDU:

;72
type             celtic infantry rycalawre
dictionary       celtic_infantry_rycalawre      ; Rycalawre
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          celtic_infantry_arjos_rycalawre_solduros_kuarothoroi, 30, 0, 1.2
officer          ebofficer_celtic_standardbearer
mount_effect     elephant -4
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, command, hardy
formation        0.85, 1.2, 1.8, 2.6, 3, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         13, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.225
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         18, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr    light_spear
stat_pri_armour  12, 12, 4, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        5
stat_ground      0, 0, -1, -2
stat_mental      18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 3193, 798, 80, 130, 3193
ownership        britons, slave

Most likely CTD culprit bolded and underlined.

[Skoran]

So now I changed

;18
type             celtic chariot cidainh bodyguards
dictionary       celtic_chariot_cidainh      ; Cidainh
category         cavalry
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          celtic_charioteer, 10, 5, 1
mount            celtic heavy chariot
mount_effect     elephant -5, horse -2
attributes       sea_faring, general_unit, hide_forest, frighten_foot, command, very_hardy, power_charge
formation        7, 9, 15, 15, 2, square
stat_health      2, 2
stat_pri         5, 50, javelin, 57.8, 25, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr    thrown
stat_sec         12, 50, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, none, 0 ,1
stat_sec_attr    ap, launching, area
stat_pri_armour  7, 13, 4, flesh
stat_sec_armour  10, 7, flesh
stat_heat        3
stat_ground      0, 0, -4, -2
stat_mental      16, impetuous, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1675, 0, 20, 196, 1675
ownership        britons, slave

To this:

;18
type             celtic infantry rycalawre
dictionary       celtic_infantry_rycalawre      ; Rycalawre
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       General_1
soldier          celtic_infantry_arjos_rycalawre_solduros_kuarothoroi, 30, 0, 1.2
officer          ebofficer_celtic_standardbearer
mount_effect     elephant -4
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, command, hardy
formation        0.85, 1.2, 1.8, 2.6, 3, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         13, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, blade, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.225
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         18, 8, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 0 ,0.13
stat_sec_attr    light_spear
stat_pri_armour  12, 12, 4, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        5
stat_ground      0, 0, -1, -2
stat_mental      18, disciplined, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 3193, 798, 80, 130, 3193
ownership        britons, slave

When I now start the game (without trivialscript) I get this error:

Generic error:

DATABASE_TABLE error found: ids must be unique, non-unique entry celtic infantry rycalawre found in file eb/data/export_descr_unit.txt

[Watchman]

Druids bodyguards for the casse FM's should be awesome, nice idea Watchman

Er... that wasn't my idea, and I was arguing *against* it you know.

[Havok.]

Er... that wasn't my idea, and I was arguing *against* it you know.

lol i'm not scrictly defending my idea
any idea (which don't content chariots) i can tag along

but ohh well, i thought it was your idea
my bad

anyways
druids BG's for FM's are ok
as Rycalawre(sp?) or Brihentin(sp?)

i just want to remove the chariots after all