New free units - discussion thread

[Prodigal]

I hope there is some variation in the unit stat's even if its negliable, facing off, (no pun intentded), against troops that look different but are essentially100% the same makes for boring battles. Having a slightly increased range/accuracy no matter how small really changes combat as troops manoever becomes a must.

[Didz]

I hope there is some variation in the unit stat's even if its negliable, facing off, (no pun intentded), against troops that look different but are essentially100% the same makes for boring battles. Having a slightly increased range/accuracy no matter how small really changes combat as troops manoever becomes a must.

Well unfortunately, most of these troops were armed and trained in exactly the same way so any variety introduced would be have to be fabricated. I think CA actually have a major problem with this game in that they appear to be trying to satisfy two competing markets. Those who are looking for a wargame which accurately reflects warfare in the 18th Century and those who want 'Halo3 with muskets.'

Unfortunately, it looks to me as though in trying to keep both camps happy CA are falling through the gap in the middle and are in danger of satsifying neither group.

[Prodigal]

Well unfortunately, most of these troops were armed and trained in exactly the same way so any variety introduced would be have to be fabricated. I think CA actually have a major problem with this game in that they appear to be trying to satisfy two competing markets. Those who are looking for a wargame which accurately reflects warfare in the 18th Century and those who want 'Halo3 with muskets.'

Unfortunately, it looks to me as though in trying to keep both camps happy CA are falling through the gap in the middle and are in danger of satsifying neither group.

Fair point on the weaponry, but Prussia for example could generally reload faster than other troops simply because they trained their troops more & introduced iron ram rods rather than using wooden ones.

Course its a game & not designed for full on historical accuracy, but small variations, like Prussian line infantry having a slightly faster reload time and other factions having a bit more ammo, or slighty better or worse cannon ranges, small things like that could make the actual battles alot more varied as you come into conflict with different factions.

Using the above as an example, you'll get shot more by Prussians, but they'll run out of ammo quicker, which would make things a bit more interesting than they are now.

[KLAssurbanipal]

I updated first post.

[Didz]

Prussian line infantry having a slightly faster reload time and other factions having a bit more ammo, or slighty better or worse cannon ranges, small things like that could make the actual battles alot more varied as you come into conflict with different factions.

Using the above as an example, you'll get shot more by Prussians, but they'll run out of ammo quicker, which would make things a bit more interesting than they are now.

That would have been a valid variation.

Prussia's introduction of the iron ramrod was supposed to allow their infantry to reload two or three times faster than their other european counterparts. So, I would have expected to see the iron ramrod right there is the tech tree and provided to Prussia at the start of the game, giving Austria, Russia and France a challenge to catch up before they got walked over.

But oddly enough, its missing, and the only reason I can think of is that CA were worried about upsetting the MP crowd by having Prussian infantry so much more powerful the other factions.

[al Roumi]

There already are stat differences between different factions' line infantry, but they are quite subtle and have tried to be balanced for game play -never mind MP or not. Eg Austria's unit size is larger, but their drill stats are lower, i think Russia's line inf has higher moralle but also lower drill stats.

I did see, maybe on Heaven or TWC, a chart that someone had pulled together listing all the stat differences.

Maybe you aren't noticing the differences in game play or they are too subtle to be noticed? Changes to range would be pretty major, like the pre patch 3 double barreled musket debacle, and even in single player, totaly skew the game.

[KLAssurbanipal]

new update

[Prodigal]

There already are stat differences between different factions' line infantry, but they are quite subtle and have tried to be balanced for game play -never mind MP or not. Eg Austria's unit size is larger, but their drill stats are lower, i think Russia's line inf has higher moralle but also lower drill stats.

I did see, maybe on Heaven or TWC, a chart that someone had pulled together listing all the stat differences.

Maybe you aren't noticing the differences in game play or they are too subtle to be noticed? Changes to range would be pretty major, like the pre patch 3 double barreled musket debacle, and even in single player, totaly skew the game.

Downloaded a unit, and you're right, there are differences.

I stand rebuked course the one unit I'd bothered to check in game was grenadiers...And guess what, they appear to be the only units that are all the same. All good though, they implemented my must have feature

[KLAssurbanipal]

Full List!!!!!

Spanish: 3, Prussia: 3, Dutch: 4!
Swedish: 2, Russia: 1


Swedish ‘Lifeguards of foot’
These are a highly trained replacement for the standard Swedish guard. They are often used as a force in a system that defends a monarchy and can be relied upon for utter loyalty and deadly accuracy in the field. Their professionalism is reflected in their fearsome battle reputation.

Swedish lifeguard horse
This cavalry regiment forms part of the monarchs’ household guard. Superbly drilled, they act as a shock force on the battlefield.

Holland Guard
The Holland Guards from the United Provinces are superior line infantry units. Carrying smoothbore muskets, they were traditionally chosen to protect the royal family and have an incredibly high morale, often making them the last troops to break in a fight.

Holland Horse Guard
Armed with heavy cavalry sabres, these disciplined cavalrymen represent the elite of the army.

Prussian Garde Du Corp
The Prussian Garde Du Corp are a replacement for the Prussian standard Household cavalry. These heavy horse shock troops are best used to break enemy lines and overrun enemy positions. With a strong charge and fearsome attack, these riders make short work of those who would oppose a Prussian monarch.

Prussian Life guard
The Prussian life guards are equipped similarly to line infantrymen. However their uniforms are altogether more splendid, marking them out as a superior force, in arrogance if nothing else. They do a good job as garrison troops and are dedicated to the crown.

Prussian Grenadiers
Wearing a distinctive brass fronted mitre cap, the Prussian Grenadiers are an explosive force to be reckoned with on the battlefield.

Russian Grenadiers
This new Russian unit is great for assaults and their grenades pack a mighty punch!

Spanish Guardias De Corp
The Spanish Guardias De Corp replace household cavalry for Spain. With almost unbreakable morale, on the charge they are almost unstoppable.

Spanish Guardias de infateria
These elite guard infantry are charged with protecting the monarch and are a potent force on the battlefield.

Spanish Grenadiers
These are a replacement for the standard Spanish Grenadiers with a distinctive bearskin hat to mark them out as exemplary on the battlefield.



Bonus:

Scots
The Scots are a Highland ex-patriate infantry used by the United Provinces, renowned for their deadly charge.
Swiss Infantry
Very disciplined infantry of the United Provinces with quick reload and excellent marksmanship.
Mamelukes
Mamelukes are fearless light horsemen, deadly when deployed against a broken or unsupported enemy.
Additionally the Spanish nation has had a new uniform design to better reflect its historical look.


I think that France should have Swiss Infantry too!

[KLAssurbanipal]

These uniforms aren't 100% historically, I know, I have many pictures sources... but these uniforms are better than clean ETW. :)
So, will you prefer units from clean? Example: Russian Grenadier in British uniforms and cap, Spanish Grenadiers in British cap and not historical yellow uniforms? These new are similar to original uniforms, examples: Spanish grenadiers now have historical hats, and uniforms colours...
Prussian Garde du Corps are blue because in all TW games faction have one colours. Prussia are blue, so this unit too. It will be weird if prussian Guards should wear bright yellow uniform, because what about other units? Example: French infantry should be white, dragoons green, cuirassiers blue, genadrmes red... etc... These changes in texture can make in MODS :)

I think that new units are better than olders. They will give us more variety in game.

BTW, I'm very happy that CA will release new, better units. I like especially Russian and Spanish grenadiers.

[Didz]

Yep! it will keep the modder's busy.

[Marquis of Roland]

As long as they come out with new hats

[antisocialmunky]

As long as they come out with new hats

Tophats FTW. Now, when are they going to make those Russian Bear Cavalry units?

[WackiestPaladin]

Do these new units download automatically as a patch, or do you have to enter code like the ones that came with the SF version. Or are they not available yet?

[antisocialmunky]

they not available yet?

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