Hoplitai too weak ?

[Flavius_Belisarius]

Now Flav B, understand please that this is no slight or insult to you. But...

How many times every month does some noob show up saying that this and that unit is too strong/too weak/unrealistic/whatever without knowing tha system and having much experience in it, and its balance?

When you have been here for a while, which I hope you will be, you will understand what I mean.

That said, welcome to the EB Forum, a wonderful world of historical and EB nerdness :-)

I understand you but quite sure that im not a noob, even on Eb which i didnt play for a long time yet. But i already had several Mp battles, and there Hoplitais were completly useless. Hoplitais couldnt face Phalangits, or other infantery units with sword, axe etc. And even against cavalry they werent really effectiv. Yes in a longer melee but if you play against a human who charges and retreats and so on, then hoplitais were useless. In my opinion they should be at least cheaper, especially the spartan and the armored elite hoplitai.

But i dont know how it is in campaign, i hardly every played it yet but i will try it. ;)

Edit.:

@Mikhail Mengsk

My english isnt the best but what i wanted to say was that in real Phalangits were way more flexible than normal hoplitai, and anybody asserted the opposite of this which is totaly false. :)

Here a picture. The reason why the hoplitai formation was so inflexible is that the whole formation was a long line, if this line breaks on one part, the whole battle was almost lost. The macedonian phalanx was quite flexible because they phalangits where subdivided in many squares. But after the dead of alexander the phalangits got more armor and they formed back to more like a line like the classical hoplitais which made them almost as unflexible.