Re: ID cards
ID card is for domestic use, or you can use a biometric passport for foreign use.
The idea is, however Rory, it is the opposite of your statement, it catches people without the card, not the people with the card. Making it voluntary ruins that whole idea.
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Re: ID cards
"If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear". So goes the mantra from the government.
I really wouldn't know where to begin.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
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Re: ID cards
Yes, I know the only use is if everyone has one. And the government has made it voluntary. Hence why I think they've made it into a farce.Originally Posted by Beskar
An enemy that wishes to die for their country is the best sort to face - you both have the same aim in mind.
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Re: ID cards
I feel sorry for Brown.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: ID cards
I have an ID card...and I'm a slave...
Also I have to ask young people for ID cards when they want to buy alcohol, I will remember all the info and hack it into a secret government database each night because the government...already has it anyway. If you can find any holes in this argument you may keep them.
Also if you got nothing to hide, then you got nothing to fear.
The early bird catches the worm and as the martians say a pound weighs less than a kilogram.
What I don't like a lot is that your cards can be read out from a distance, a piece of paper with text on it or a magnetic chip that can only be read with contact or near-contact sounds like a much better idea to me.
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Re: ID cards
If you have nothing to hide, it means you have no life. No enemies, no conflicts, no physical or psychological handicaps, no mistakes in your past, no neuroses, nothing out of the ordinary that might be misconstrued by anonymous officials and used against you one day.
Congratulations, you are officially a nobody.
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Re: ID cards
I added that just for your entertainment, I was hoping the following statements would make that very clear but maybe you thought they were serious as well.If you have nothing to hide, it means you have no life. No enemies, no conflicts, no physical or psychological handicaps, no mistakes in your past, no neuroses, nothing out of the ordinary that might be misconstrued by anonymous officials and used against you one day.
Congratulations, you are officially a nobody.
The whole rage seems stupid to me anyway since an ID card hardly has any very classified info about you, at least here. If you hide all your info from everybody else anyway then you're a nobody as well and nobody knows you. Try getting a wife when you won't even tell you your name or where you live since she might misuse that info... :rolleyees:
I hardly need my ID card and hardly show it to anybody, yet I bet you a lot of the info on it is known to quite a few people anyway, you even have to tell the government when you move elsewhere, there are birth certificates with your name and place of birth on them in some government storage/databank, in Obama's case the public even wanted him to make this public, then those same people complain about cards with some personal info on them.
If a police officer wants to abuse you, he doesn't need you to have an ID card, we already had a few topics about US officers doing that and IIRC they don't have ID cards in the US.
Thos whole thing about me remembering peoples' info was rather sarcastic, some people just hide their info, PIN etc from me like I would.
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Re: ID cards
That is because you don't know what these ID cards entail. Admittedly, this hasn't even been brought up in the thread yet, I know I made some jokey posts but it even gets far darker then that.
Other than all your details which are present on separate identity cards combined onto one card, the new card would have your finger print details, your iris scan details, DNA details, you will have to fill out questionaires, in the style such as political compass so things like your views (political and social) are recorded, with all your bank accounts, your driving, birth, national insurance, criminal record, health record and various other things.
Long live Orwell.
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Re: ID cards
I see, thanks for the info.
I really didn't know there was going to be that much info on them and I agree that is quite a lot, too much I would say. Finger prints are one thing, you leave them on every glass anyway in case someone wants them, but bank accounts etc. should have nothing to do on an ID card, that's complete rubbish, I see an ID card as a way to identify yourself, and that's what it is here(and that comment posted earlier made me think the UK ones would be similar), not as a pocket wikipedia entry detailing your whole life.
That's indeed very excessive.
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Re: ID cards
nvm, I worked tonight, and my mind isn't operational until after I've slept today....
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Re: ID cards
my only response to Alan is: "get $#c&%@!"
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Re: ID cards
I think ID card issue was nicely summed up by Kilroy Silk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzZ86GYoxE0
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"Men of Quality do not fear Equality." | "Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs."
Re: ID cards
Do you make them sit down so you can store their smell too?I have an ID card...and I'm a slave...
Also I have to ask young people for ID cards when they want to buy alcohol, I will remember all the info and hack it into a secret government database each night because the government...already has it anyway. If you can find any holes in this argument you may keep them.
Also if you got nothing to hide, then you got nothing to fear.
The early bird catches the worm and as the martians say a pound weighs less than a kilogram.
What I don't like a lot is that your cards can be read out from a distance, a piece of paper with text on it or a magnetic chip that can only be read with contact or near-contact sounds like a much better idea to me.
Just don't have the heart at present to go in depth about how mindnumbingly stupid the whole ID scheme is.
But it is a wasteful nonsense. The last time the UK required id cards was world war 2, national peril is the only time when any free society should acquiesce to such drastic measures. The potential for abuse by government, & by extension law enforcement, is simply too great that it should ever be considered acceptable.
The statement "I have nothing to hide" doesn't count for sweet FA when the corrupt or foolish decide you have.
Government should serve the people not hound & bully them. Goverment does not spend their money on unpopular enterprises like this, they spend mine. The only law the present unelected prime minister of the uk should pass is to enforce voting in elections.
Re: ID cards
But, there is national peril. Brown won't get re-elected!
#Hillary4prism
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Re: ID cards
Thing is, we have ID cards anyway, such as driving licence and passport. If it replaces all of those, there is nothing wrong with it.
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Re: ID cards
You're missing the point. It sets a precedent for other hair-brained governmental schemes. Frog in hot-water and all that. Wot, wot.
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And hold that everything depends upon having the “right” religion.
But when one really knows, one has no need of religion. - Mahavyuha Sutra
Freedom necessarily involves risk. - Alan Watts
Re: ID cards
As odious as it is, it's not the ID card that's the only issue. It's the database.
There are times I wish they’d just ban everything- baccy and beer, burgers and bangers, and all the rest- once and for all. Instead, they creep forward one apparently tiny step at a time. It’s like being executed with a bacon slicer.
“Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnosing it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.”
To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.
"The purpose of a university education for Left / Liberals is to attain all the politically correct attitudes towards minorties, and the financial means to live as far away from them as possible."
Re: ID cards
Man, I agree with you, but seeing as they store all movements on oysters cards for over a year already, please excuse my paranoia; why? well, damn, I don't think the government needs to know where I am at all times. Course we're almost always on cctv, & they can triangulate your position if you're carrying a mobile phone.
Personally I think thats enough of an invasion of my privacy.
They would have liked to have kept DNA records indefinitley, of anyone they arrest even if their innocent.
Now they want people to pay 5 million base + the cost of the card, so they can have more ways of tracking your movements via your ID card, which by the bloody way, if you're not carrying you can be arrested for, at which time thay can take your DNA!!!...Please...Enjoy your stay in Camp UK, Be Pure, Be Vigilant, Behave.
Now that's all really screaming heeby jeeby "they're all out to get me" stuff, and maybe I wouldn't think it was important, but I don't like hearing that people are still being found inocent of crimes they have not committed but have had to serve years in prison for!
Show me a perfect legal system, & they can police me anyway they like. But I for one think the police are very far for perfect, as are our laws & system of government, and as such they should be bloody well muzzled. And don't get me started on crime prevention, because that's where this is leading
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