bang for your buck

**A Very Super Market** · 07-12-2009, 21:11

Because we all know that using Hetairoi to hold a line, and the phalanx to flank is exactly how Alexander did it.

**kekailoa** · 07-12-2009, 21:25

Baelric Light Inf. aren't worth it, in my opinion. They're really expensive and have the same stats as an Iberian unit (Iberian Light Infantry, i believe) that costs half as much as has a much wider AOR.

I think they have less morale, but when you're a flanker, morale doesn't matter as much.

**Watchman** · 07-12-2009, 21:31

Originally Posted by kekailoa

Baelric Light Inf. aren't worth it, in my opinion. They're really expensive and have the same stats as an Iberian unit (Iberian Light Infantry, i believe) that costs half as much as has a much wider AOR.

I think they have less morale, but when you're a flanker, morale doesn't matter as much.

Code:

;188
type             iberian infantry light caetratii
dictionary       iberian_infantry_light_caetratii      ; Iberi Caetrati
category         infantry
class            light
voice_type       Medium_1
soldier          iberian_infantry_caetratii, 50, 0, 1.05
officer          ebofficer_lusitanian_carthaginian_officer
mount_effect	 elephant +1, chariot +2
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap, very_hardy
formation        1.2, 1.6, 3, 4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         6, 4, solifera, 36.8, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr    prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec         9, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.11
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  4, 11, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      0, 0, 2, -2
stat_mental      11, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1437, 359, 30, 40, 1437

Code:

;375
type             iberian missile balearic light infantry
dictionary       iberian_missile_balearic_light_infantry      ; Balearic Light Infantry
category         infantry
class            light
voice_type       Medium_1
soldier          iberian_missile_balearic_light_infantry_caetranann, 40, 0, 1.05
mount_effect     elephant +2, chariot +4, horse -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, very_hardy
formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 6, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         6, 4, javelin, 60.5, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr    prec, thrown
stat_sec         10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.11
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  5, 11, 2, leather
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      0, 0, 2, -2
stat_mental      14, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1744, 436, 30, 40, 1744

Also worth noting that the Caetrati are actually line infantry while the Balearics are skirmishers... as evidenced by one look at their throwing weapons.

**tls5669** · 07-13-2009, 02:04

Thank you Watchman.

**Ferromancer** · 07-13-2009, 02:43

Alpine phalanx. Cheap units with decent armor, have spears to kill cavalry and axes to kill armored infantry. I think they also have high stamina.

Baltic Frontiersmen. Relatively cheap archer with very long range. Also have good hand-to-hand combat skills with spears to fend off cavalry charges. I've even used them to fill gaps in a line.

**godsakes** · 07-13-2009, 13:04

agree with the Alpine Phalanx - firstly many factions won't be able to get hold of Phalanx troops in that area so they greatly help to balance your army but their Ap axes make them a no brainer for their cost, their only (slight) drawback is their unit size is 80 which is small for a Phalanx

Machimoi Phalangitai (Machimoi Native Phalanx) - 120 cheap phalanx units with AP axes

Casse shortswordsmen - 100 unit extremely cheap battlefodder with javlins (must be supported by morale boosting troops such as Druids or Milnaht/Belgae Swordsmen)

Caetranann (Lusotannan Light Infantry) - the standard luso troop, has 6x javlins and AP sword, 100 units

Principes - very low upkeep for a standard heavy armor unit

Celtic Slingers - have 35 ammo (more than most slingers) so lasts till the even end of a battle - also has slight better melee stats then most basic slingers with huge AOR

Sarmatian/Scythian Horse-Archers - extremely low upkeep horse archer with 40 ammo

**A Very Super Market** · 07-13-2009, 20:00

Pantodapoi are better than Machimoi, as they have one more point of defense. Deuteroi do too, but they lack AP axes.

**athanaric** · 07-13-2009, 22:10

Originally Posted by godsakes

agree with the Alpine Phalanx - firstly many factions won't be able to get hold of Phalanx troops in that area so they greatly help to balance your army but their Ap axes make them a no brainer for their cost, their only (slight) drawback is their unit size is 80 which is small for a Phalanx

Yeah, they're one of the most useful units in the region. Plus very dangerous to heavy cavalry.

Casse shortswordsmen - 100 unit extremely cheap battlefodder with javlins (must be supported by morale boosting troops such as Druids or Milnaht/Belgae Swordsmen)

I prefer Jugundiz Xathjiska though - essentially the same stats (and cost), but their melee weapon, although it has a lower attack, is AP and has much better lethality.

Celtic Slingers - have 35 ammo (more than most slingers) so lasts till the even end of a battle - also has slight better melee stats then most basic slingers with huge AOR.

They actually have more ammo than any other slinger. Plus a shortsword for melee, instead of the pathetic knife most slingers (all of them except Iaosatae, Komatai Sphendonitai and Qala'im Balearim) wield.

**kekailoa** · 07-14-2009, 07:54

Originally Posted by Watchman

Code:

;188
type             iberian infantry light caetratii
dictionary       iberian_infantry_light_caetratii      ; Iberi Caetrati
category         infantry
class            light
voice_type       Medium_1
soldier          iberian_infantry_caetratii, 50, 0, 1.05
officer          ebofficer_lusitanian_carthaginian_officer
mount_effect	 elephant +1, chariot +2
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, can_sap, very_hardy
formation        1.2, 1.6, 3, 4, 4, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         6, 4, solifera, 36.8, 2, thrown, blade, piercing, spear, 15 ,1
stat_pri_attr    prec, thrown, ap
stat_sec         9, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.11
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  4, 11, 2, flesh
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      0, 0, 2, -2
stat_mental      11, normal, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1437, 359, 30, 40, 1437

Code:

;375
type             iberian missile balearic light infantry
dictionary       iberian_missile_balearic_light_infantry      ; Balearic Light Infantry
category         infantry
class            light
voice_type       Medium_1
soldier          iberian_missile_balearic_light_infantry_caetranann, 40, 0, 1.05
mount_effect     elephant +2, chariot +4, horse -1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_improved_forest, hide_long_grass, very_hardy
formation        1.6, 2, 3.2, 4, 6, square
stat_health      1, 1
stat_pri         6, 4, javelin, 60.5, 6, thrown, simple, piercing, spear, 10 ,1
stat_pri_attr    prec, thrown
stat_sec         10, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, slashing, sword, 0 ,0.11
stat_sec_attr    ap
stat_pri_armour  5, 11, 2, leather
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        1
stat_ground      0, 0, 2, -2
stat_mental      14, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 1744, 436, 30, 40, 1744

Also worth noting that the Caetrati are actually line infantry while the Balearics are skirmishers... as evidenced by one look at their throwing weapons.

True.

I actually went back and checked out their stats and the like in the game myself today, and played a few custom battle with them just to check them out.

And yes, I now agree they are better than the Iberian Light infantry. My bad.